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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so you know I'm

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the kind of person who always misses UFO

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sightings I've said this before like in

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a situation back in 1976 I was one of

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the principal sponsors of a UFO

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convention in or near Valley Forge

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Pennsylvania you know great historic

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place the convention was sort of a

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success we only lost $100 on it in 1976

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dollars so what is that today ten

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thousand dollars or something

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something like that couple three hundred

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a couple of hundred I'm kidding okay so

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few the people who attended there said

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did you see the UFO I said no I was

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sitting there losing my shirt on this

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convention I hardly had time to worry

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about UFOs didn't see segue to March

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13th 1997 now remember this is something

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that most of you listeners know about

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you know what I'm gonna say right now I

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lived at the time in Scottsdale Arizona

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this was the birthday of my late brother

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Wallace okay doesn't mean anything

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he would have been 63 years old had he

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survived until that date he died two

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years earlier anyway so on March 13th

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1997 we have the Phoenix lights I was

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home I was writing books but I saw no

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Phoenix lights the UFOs again passed me

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by now we're recording this episode

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early in November alright so I get a

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story from one of our listeners and I'm

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paging through it right now about

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something called the Scottsdale lights

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now Scottsdale Arizona is a suburb

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northeast suburb of Phoenix Arizona okay

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and we had something called the

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Scottsdale lights alright and it just

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looks like flares or something this was

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above a high school

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football game of the horizon Huskies and

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if you go to the site something call the

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post game dot-com and you look it up

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you'll see something flying the sky

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something taken by people who have

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mobile phones some lights in the sky

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could be anything but I didn't see it

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football games that's my problem why do

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the UFOs pass me by Chris is this the

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trickster at work or the anti trickster

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I don't know Jane I think you know you

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just scare him away if you're outside

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they they don't appear when you're

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inside that's when they tend to appear

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it's just no way around it I won't touch

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that one now you do want to touch it but

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you know very close but seriously

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speaking never happens to me never see

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UFOs my wife has had a couple of psychic

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related experiences and I think she may

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have seen a UFO one time just a light in

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the sky doesn't happen to me so Chris

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O'Brien you've seen UFOs though you're a

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lucky guy well we could probably do a

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whole show we've mentioned them in

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passing but maybe because I'm being the

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person who's always left out tell our

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listeners quickly you know because we

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only have a couple of minutes and we

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actually have a real guest today what do

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you think your most significant sighting

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was and when it happened well it's

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really hard to place any sort of value

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or significance on them they all

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occurred when I least expected them

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which the best sightings normally do

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they just kind of come out of the blue

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very rarely oh by seeing things when I'm

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out looking for them although I have

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probably the most impressive one that

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I've seen was about 150 feet away from

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me it was a small 12-foot kind of hybrid

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craft that flew directly in front of the

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car about 150 feet away 50 feet off the

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hybrid crap wasn't driving it it looked

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like it could be it looked like some

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retro thing from the Jetsons as the only

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but you know her Chris O'Brien our

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favorite trickster my friend our co-host

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saw a tune you know did you see Roger

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Rabbit - uh no it it was just like this

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hybrid it was a disc disc coil shape but

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and it zipped right across the road I

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mean I at first I thought it was a model

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airplane of some type was the first

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thing that flashed in my mind and I

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thought it was really close to the car

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but I noticed it went behind trees that

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were about 150 feet away before it shot

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out across the word for no valley and it

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it really moved weird it was almost like

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when you reel in a fishing lure really

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fast and kind of skips it kind of

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skipped like that it it's very hard to

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describe it did not look like it was any

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sort of ballistic you know just regular

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ballistic motion since I wasn't driving

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in it it went from left to right I was

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able to grab my binoculars and really

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check it out fairly well out the window

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and I figured it was about 12 feet long

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and you know it was one o'clock in the

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afternoon on a Sunday a beautiful

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brilliant you know fall day and that was

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my first real up close and personal I'm

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sighting and well actually my only one

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that was you know within you know 200

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feet but I've had others too and you

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know boomerang-shaped crap had crafted

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did a falling leaf pattern down into a

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depression area in the back of grants

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that was a daylight sighting I've had

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quite a number of silver orbs that hang

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in the sky they're fairly high but low

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and then they blink out and then just a

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few seconds later they're 20 miles away

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and you can barely make them out so you

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know in the lights in the sky thing I

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mean red red lights orbs

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orange-green huge green fireball I saw

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listen ladies and gentlemen over the

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size Chris says this I have to tell you

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I am insanely jealous okay he sees all

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these things he says or they're seen in

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one side you were 13 of them in one side

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and then I got on night vision videotape

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okay

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is that posted at your site no but it

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was just broadcast on the mysteries of

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the national park show on the Travel

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Channel a couple of weeks back that's

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the first time it's been aired I should

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probably get that that footage

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yes well we're trying to get your site

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redesigned unfortunately the person and

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I have some good news for the para cast

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listening audience out there the San

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Luis Valley camera project is back up

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and and running we're going to have a

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link to the MUFON Orange County website

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here well within the next couple of days

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so by the time this airs hopefully we'll

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have an IP address where everybody to go

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and check out the San Luis Valley camera

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project camera we're back up online

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mm-hmm yeah there's been a hard thing

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the hard not to crack

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yeah and expensive and you know it's

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it's taken four trips up there and back

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and you know it's it's a lot of work but

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we're getting there done oh we can't

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wait for that we'll be mentioning that

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in the weeks to come as more and more

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things happen but today you brought us a

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guest from Denver a guy who's written a

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whole bunch of books but what he is Jeff

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Danyluk gonna focus on

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well he's written one of the better

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books that I've seen on the great

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airship wave of the late 1880s 1890's

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and I think that that is a very very

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intriguing series of events that

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occurred off and on over about three

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years 1896 I think the first sightings

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really started and then there were

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sightings all through 1897 into 1898 and

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then a few years later in New Zealand

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there was some similar sightings so he's

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done quite a bit of research on this

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particular side in wave and I can't wait

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to pick who's bringing a little bit

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about this and find out where he comes

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down on the Aurora Texas

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you know windmill crash and supposed

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buried aliens in the town cemetery there

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it doesn't mention he talked about a lot

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of member hazing Hughes he got a lot of

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publicity saying that he knew what was

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actually buried at Aurora Texas you know

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didn't come to much but he made a big

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big spiel over it this was many many

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years ago but you never heard of him

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anyway should also tell you speaking of

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getting in touch and all that stuff if

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you go to the para Cass at Twitter

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you'll find were there yes we do have a

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Twitter account we never mention it very

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much the book by the way is called the

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great airship of 1897 the guest is Jeff

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Danyluk he'll be joining us momentarily

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with Jean and Chris you're in the para

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so here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it just

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stopped responding it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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it will stay online at I web your site

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now will we have a v-shaped recovery or

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will it be a w-shaped one where the

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nation slips back into recession of

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spend or inflate its way out of a

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about but as you know I have my doubts

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markets fluctuates in price and you

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to 1897 with Jeff Danyluk and he's a

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longtime UFO paranormal researcher he's

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written quite a number of books by the

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way there's another book that came out

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of his recently called phantoms of the

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skies which is the lost history of

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aviation from antiquity to the Wright

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brothers I'm gonna ask him about that

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book because that also it's fascinating

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but now we'll look at other people who

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fly or creatures 1897 why is that so

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significant for people just maybe

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getting into the UFO mystery and trying

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to figure out what's going on well 1897

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was the first year that we had a UFO

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flap in this country a lot of people

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think it all started in 1947 you know

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with the Arnold sighting but it actually

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goes back to 1897 when people were

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started seeing unexplained lights in the

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sky and it made the made the press for

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the day one thing I've heard from time

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to time from skeptics is that the

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newspapers who carry these stories were

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kind of playing around just to maybe

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sell newspapers

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you know a few of those people didn't

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mind doing that well you know that

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probably was a part of that that said

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there was an element of especially some

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of the smaller papers but if you look at

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how they worded the articles themselves

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they don't really do it in a

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tongue-in-cheek sort of fashion like you

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see with the more fun stuff they get its

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reported for the most part very

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seriously that's not to say people

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didn't make up stuff but the way it's

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reported it looks like it's a legitimate

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news story and that's the way they seem

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to be covering it was there a specific

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sighting as there some

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times are with so-called UFO flaps that

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triggered the whole thing yes actually

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it all began in November of 1897 when

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people in the city of Sacramento saw

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this light moving across the sky over

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the city against the breeze against the

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wind and they didn't know what it was

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people thought it was a light hanging

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from beneath a cigar shaped vessel of

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some kind of vehicle and so they started

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calling it a dirigible or an airship

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that was picked up it was seen a week

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later over San Francisco and all over

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the California central California area

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for almost a month and a half but that

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was what really triggered the whole

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thing is it possible it was some kind of

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balloon or something or dirigible well

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the premise of my book I explore this

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very idea that this was really some kind

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of a cutting-edge piece of technology

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there's really three alternatives

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there's either it's it's an alien

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spacecraft it's all a hoax or it's a

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real airship that somebody built and so

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I wanted to think I want to put the idea

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out there what would it take to really

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build something like this in 1897 or the

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materials there could you have done it

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could somebody actually built this thing

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in secret in California and was

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test-flying it and that's basically the

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whole my whole theory

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my whole hypothesis if you will isn't

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also true some of those sightings

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involve airships that landed and pilots

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that came out saying hey you know I'm

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perfecting this new aircraft stay tuned

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we'll soon introduce it there was a

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couple of instances in which people

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claimed that they spoke with the crew

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members of these of this airship it's

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remarkable how human they were they were

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you know just run-of-the-mill humans

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sometimes apparently a couple people

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even got tours inside the vessel so if

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these are to be taken as literal truth

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it sounds as though we're dealing with a

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real piece of machinery here and not

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something extraterrestrial

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well I Jeff this is chris here and

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welcome to the show I do seem to recall

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that at the beginning of the wave there

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was some talk of a of an inventor who I

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think approached the press at some point

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and and had some very enigmatic comments

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about the airship and how he

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knew where was from and then at the end

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of the way--by believe in Massachusetts

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there was I think an inventor who

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claimed he was gonna have a press

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conference and do a big unveiling of the

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thing which never happened if I remember

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correctly the Massachusetts one at the

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end however I am familiar with some of

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the early press accounts out of

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California where there was a lawyer I

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believe his name lence Andrews who

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stepped forward and said that he had met

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the UH the inventor he had seen the

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facility where he created the airship

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and that he was going to come forward

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once he gotten it perfected and this guy

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came out was very public about it and

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then a couple of days later he sort of

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recanted it as though somebody got to

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him and said hey you need to keep this

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quiet okay so is this the early men in

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black not men in black I think it's more

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of his of the the business partners that

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were in on this I think they were trying

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to keep this quiet and this guy

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basically was a braggart he came out and

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talked about hey I know something no one

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else knows and I think they came to him

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and said look you know you need to keep

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this quiet until we are ready to go

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public with it otherwise you know we're

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gonna get you yeah the men in seersucker

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the book I promised that the the people

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behind this thing were probably may have

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been a lawyers or a lawyer who was

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financing this whole thing you know in

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San Francisco 1897 the gold rush there

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was a lot of very wealthy people in the

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city and any one of them could have been

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behind behind this and lawyers tend to

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know other lawyers they hang out with

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those people so if there was a lawyer

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with financing it at the bottom of the

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ocean along with the others

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yeah right it's a possibility that they

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just said hey yeah quiet keep them down

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but did any of these so-called stories

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or claims of an upcoming invention ever

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come to pass no actually what happened

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was these sightings kind of stopped

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fairly suddenly in mid-december 1897 and

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to me there was nothing really heard for

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a couple of months and then in the

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spring of 18 or 1897 in the spring they

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started picking up again in the Midwest

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as though the inventor was moving

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his invention curler East he was

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experimenting what they're doing short

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hops across the Midwest and then all of

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a sudden about the middle of April they

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just stopped again the premise that I

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put in the book is that perhaps saying

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that was some sort of a mishap about

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that time and the whole venture blew up

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essentially and literally in Aurora

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Texas right they hit a windmill well no

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actually though there was a report out

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of a newspaper in Kalamazoo Michigan in

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which someone reported seeing an

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explosion in the sky the sound of like

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cannon fire and so it's possible that it

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went down somewhere over the northern

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Midwest

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the Texas be a lot of Texas sightings

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and all those things in Texas seem to be

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misplaced from what I could see in my

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research they seemed like they were a

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separate entity and energy about them

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that were disconnected from the main

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sightings in the Midwest so I tend to

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personally discount a lot of the Texas

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sightings as being probably frivolous

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this was more of a remote area at the

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time one about a place that would be

483
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more likely to invent stuff but you know

484
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it's hard to know what reports are

485
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credible in which art is you know how do

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you really define that right I job just

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for your own information in my research

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in the San Luis Valley for my first book

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I happen to or actually my second book I

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happen to uncover a small little notice

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a little article one paragraph article

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in a central Colorado newspaper that

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referred to an airship sighting that

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happened near Gunnison Colorado and this

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is the only mention that I can find of

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anybody seeing these things in the Rocky

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Mountain region so we might have to

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compare notes later and I might have to

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shoot that information over to you I was

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very surprised - well I'll tell you what

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we'll explore many surprises with Jeff

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Danyluk the 1897 airship mystery or not

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a mystery with Gene and Kris you're in

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you are listening to the podcast we have

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Jeff Danyluk exploring the 1897 mystery

612
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:18,680
of the airships with Gene and Kris on

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the power cast as we continue our

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exploration I want to go just briefly

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segue back before we cover with Kris

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said to Aurora Texas because as I

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mentioned the Kris before you came on we

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weren't talking about you behind your

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back except in a very nice way which

620
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isn't always the case on the power cast

621
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we have a reputation but what I did

622
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mention was it was a guy I don't know if

623
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he's still around but back in the 70s I

624
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think I am hatin see Hughes I remember

625
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him okay tell us the story of Hayden

626
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Hughes and Aurora Texas if I'm correct

627
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this is the gentleman who believed that

628
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parts of the airship that had crashed

629
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there supposedly buried and well on his

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property

631
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:13,130
that's essentially it yes yeah and then

632
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as he tried to clean out this well and

633
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develop this really good figuring sort

634
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of no no that wasn't it he was claiming

635
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to the press that he found a burial site

636
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supposedly that contained a being from

637
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oh okay yeah that actually was a stone

638
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and everything in the report at the time

639
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they had to claim that they found this

640
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this blunt body in the wreckage and then

641
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they gave it a Christian burial which is

642
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interesting in an unmarked grave at the

643
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law cemetery and supposedly there was

644
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even a stone that was in place there for

645
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a while saying it but it's since

646
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vanished nobody really has seen their

647
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stone in quite a few years if it ever

648
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was there to begin with

649
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historians in the town have looked into

650
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the stories up in that era and they

651
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discovered or believed that it was a

652
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attempt to bring attention to the town

653
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because it was being bypassed by the

654
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railroad and it was losing a lot of its

655
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population the city was a real serious

656
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straights and so one of the reporters

657
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there made up this story basically a

658
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Gallus reporter about this airship crash

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in an effort to bring attention to the

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area and apparently it didn't really

661
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work at the time the story didn't really

662
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come out as such until about the 70s

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when people kind of discovered it didn't

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sort of an offhanded way I'll give you

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the story by the way I found the

666
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original UPI release a grave in a small

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North Texas cemetery contains the body

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of an 1897 astronaut who was not an

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inhabitant of this world according to

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the International UFO Bureau that by the

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way is Hayden Hughes organization the

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group which investigates unidentified

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flying objects has already initiated

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legal proceedings to assume the body and

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will go to court if necessary to open

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the grave director Hayden Hughes said

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now obviously that didn't happen okay he

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oh absolutely and I don't understand how

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he could make that claim you know

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without a body in front of you how you

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can be clear that this thing is from

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another planet without any sort of

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physical evidence in front of you is is

684
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a little bit disconcerting

685
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so can we assume them that Aurora Texas

686
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is just somebody's figment of their

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imagination trying to get that

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complicity to get the railroad to come

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in I think that was a big part of it

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yeah

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you know I've dealt with the UFO

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community and I think there's some

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wonderful people who are out there doing

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some real research on us but I also

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think I hear a but coming about for you

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like I said I heard that but coming

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however there's a small group of people

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out there I think are sensational as'

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and they glom on to just about anything

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and that is going to bolster their

701
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opinion that there are extraterrestrials

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all over the place and so I think this

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is maybe one

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those sentences were people that caught

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up in the story and then once you come

706
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out with it and go public with it it's

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awfully hard to resend it without

708
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looking foolish

709
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and so you kind of dive in with both

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feet

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you have nothing really to show forth

712
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:38,570
and you hope that people forget that you

713
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:40,130
ever mentioned it and of course they

714
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:41,929
never do and you know that patterning

715
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:42,860
happens all the time

716
00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:45,140
well I guess Hayden Hewes is just a

717
00:31:48,909 --> 00:31:46,940
relic of history now UFO history I

718
00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:48,919
haven't heard anything about him since

719
00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:50,590
then I think that was a pretty

720
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:52,760
embarrassing episode though yeah I

721
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,490
suspect so and but the thing is that

722
00:32:01,360 --> 00:31:57,919
there's a lot of those kinds of people

723
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:01,370
out there and it's hard to work your way

724
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:05,230
through the real science versus the

725
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:08,210
sensationalism that the entire subject

726
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:14,030
seems to uh you know to attract so

727
00:32:18,190 --> 00:32:16,130
what'd you think about UFO Hunters

728
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:18,200
segment on Aurora I felt that it was

729
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:23,390
quite quite humorous well you know guys

730
00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:25,250
everything but they have a particular

731
00:32:30,370 --> 00:32:27,860
agenda and they really don't question

732
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,380
stuff very well they don't look for

733
00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:32,720
alternative explanations they just say

734
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:34,580
well see this is what that guy said so

735
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:36,350
it must be true now by the way we should

736
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:40,100
mention that Chris had an encounter with

737
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:42,049
UFO Hunters people where he did a

738
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:45,490
segment and they basically did a

739
00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:48,559
geographical flame out there where

740
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:51,409
events in Colorado suddenly occurred in

741
00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:55,250
Arizona yeah well we won't get into that

742
00:32:59,289 --> 00:32:56,990
that's enough to be said but basically

743
00:33:02,320 --> 00:32:59,299
his experience wasn't too Pleasant

744
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:02,330
obviously this came across as a show in

745
00:33:05,890 --> 00:33:04,370
search of ratings but only lasted a

746
00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:05,900
couple of years before it was canceled

747
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:08,780
yeah if they would try to be a little

748
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:10,370
more objective in some of these

749
00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:11,870
explorations I think they'd get a wider

750
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:13,520
viewing audience you know they're really

751
00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:14,900
pandering to the group that are already

752
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:17,900
true believers and just like the ancient

753
00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:19,610
aliens that cross series you know these

754
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:21,620
people already believe this stuff and

755
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:23,690
you're just kind of feeding into it but

756
00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:25,100
if they would be more objective I think

757
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:27,320
you get more people interested in

758
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:29,390
watching and saying and making up their

759
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:30,890
own mind that's what you really want

760
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:32,690
people to do I think you see that in the

761
00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:34,130
UFO field the really

762
00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:36,560
core true believers who accept all the

763
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:39,020
nonsense amount to maybe a few thousand

764
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:42,290
people and you can't expand interest in

765
00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:44,690
the subject if you cater to them now we

766
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:46,220
kind of straddle a lot of different

767
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,570
universes here because we're on

768
00:33:52,450 --> 00:33:49,760
commercial radio we're online we're

769
00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:52,460
available in iTunes and therefore we

770
00:33:56,650 --> 00:33:54,950
bring on people who have been in the

771
00:33:58,930 --> 00:33:56,660
field for many years people a little bit

772
00:34:01,660 --> 00:33:58,940
more new and our listeners run the gamut

773
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:01,670
some have been exploring this thing from

774
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,130
time immemorial and then some others are

775
00:34:09,129 --> 00:34:06,320
new to the subject and we kind of try to

776
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:09,139
serve both masters and so bringing you

777
00:34:14,110 --> 00:34:10,940
on we're trying to get a realistic look

778
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:14,120
of 1897 but before we get into more the

779
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:15,530
tale and I think we'll just move away

780
00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:18,169
from Aurora in more detail of the cases

781
00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:22,040
here do you think anything in 1897

782
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:23,840
indicates the presence of something

783
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:27,370
unknown power in ramallah ET whatever

784
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:30,260
well you know I looked at that theory in

785
00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:31,750
my book your the whole idea of

786
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:33,560
extraterrestrials being an explanation

787
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:35,780
and the thing I notice about these

788
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,250
reports is what these things weren't

789
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:39,200
doing anything very extraordinary they

790
00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:41,149
weren't blasting out of you know out of

791
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:43,190
space real quick they weren't they

792
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:44,990
weren't making any erratic maneuvers

793
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:46,370
they weren't doing anything that was

794
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:50,210
very easy like which led me to believe

795
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:51,970
that it probably was a more terrestrial

796
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,980
vehicle so to answer your question I

797
00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:57,680
don't believe that any of these

798
00:35:00,880 --> 00:34:58,820
sightings for anything to do with

799
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,890
extraterrestrials that's not to say

800
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:03,440
however that extraterrestrials were

801
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:06,140
perhaps observing this entire event from

802
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,570
orbit just to see what we're doing but

803
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:10,160
in terms of actually they're fearing I

804
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:11,270
don't believe so

805
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:14,690
is it also interesting in the UFO cases

806
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:18,380
that the technology displayed by the

807
00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:21,800
UFOs always seems to be a step or two

808
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:23,020
ahead of us

809
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,890
but that's it well you know the most

810
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:30,320
interesting example of that was the

811
00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:33,620
Betty a Barney Hill story where Betty

812
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:36,350
described the inside of the spacecraft

813
00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:38,420
that she was supposedly abducted onboard

814
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:42,080
and they were using a chart their space

815
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:45,440
map if you will that was on a roller you

816
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:47,220
should pull it down and that was there

817
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:49,480
and I thought well that's kind of an

818
00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:53,130
interesting old-school way of navigating

819
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:55,780
using your you're having your charts on

820
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,090
our roller I'm just pulling them down

821
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with a string it sounds as though people

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really kind of describe things in their

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own technological understanding and in

824
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conceiving that for high-tech and it's

825
00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:12,220
really not it's pretty low-tech most of

826
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,350
the UFO stuff and see out there you

827
00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:16,480
wonder how could he UFOs

828
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managed to get all the way out here with

829
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number of years at the so called star

831
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map in the Barney and Betty hill case

832
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was a put-up job

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whether the thing is real or not that

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particular instance star maps et

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941
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you are tuned into the para cast let me

942
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,970
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

943
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here that you probably won't hear

944
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:15,920
anywhere else hear that George snoring

945
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:18,569
why does Chris worry about me I think

946
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:21,480
it's because you know he never knows

947
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:23,430
what I'm gonna do I never tell him what

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I'm gonna do he has to just kind of take

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with you know thank you sir can I have

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another that's right you know he just no

952
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I don't do that we used to have a host

953
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:39,599
what's gonna happen getting back to your

954
00:41:47,029 --> 00:41:43,770
point about three sage technology or

955
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:47,039
precursor technology now most of our

956
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:50,609
listeners are probably aware that you

957
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:56,750
know solid heavier-than-air dirigible x'

958
00:42:02,779 --> 00:41:59,640
weren't invented for another three years

959
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:02,789
but the timeframe is very very close I

960
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:06,450
think Ferdinand von Zeppelin did his

961
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:07,980
first maiden flight sometime in the

962
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:10,650
summer of 1900 if memory serves me

963
00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:13,010
correct but this is an

964
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:16,520
example of just slightly ahead of our

965
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:18,550
time technology being viewed as

966
00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:21,740
extraordinary because of its of the

967
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:25,790
timing but it also falls neatly into

968
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,090
your suspicion that this could possibly

969
00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:31,280
have been very terrestrial technology

970
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:33,800
that was that was being trotted out and

971
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,440
and field tested basically my only

972
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:39,200
problem when that theory is why did

973
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:41,750
those lawyers or whoever was behind this

974
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:43,460
thing why didn't they maximize the

975
00:42:49,780 --> 00:42:46,910
potential and beat von Zeppelin to the

976
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,790
Patent Office basically and in actually

977
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:51,920
you know trot this technology out and

978
00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:54,890
then do a big a big unveiling of it I

979
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:56,840
mean they there's something about that

980
00:43:00,100 --> 00:42:58,010
that doesn't make sense

981
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,110
well my premise is if that's what they

982
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,240
were actually doing was was keeping it a

983
00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:03,680
secret while they were developing the

984
00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:05,960
technologies testing it in these series

985
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:07,700
of flights and short hops in around

986
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:09,380
California and then later in the Midwest

987
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:12,410
with the idea of eventually bringing it

988
00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:14,120
out to the East Coast and then unveiling

989
00:43:18,610 --> 00:43:16,820
it all at once that way they would not

990
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:18,620
have to worry about people stealing the

991
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:20,390
patents really this is the time of

992
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,730
Edison and Westinghouse we're constantly

993
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,280
stealing each other's ideas trying to

994
00:43:29,830 --> 00:43:27,440
beat each other in a patent office so

995
00:43:32,590 --> 00:43:29,840
this kind of thing happened quite a bit

996
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:32,600
among inventors a lot of cest the Wright

997
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:34,910
brothers were notorious for making sure

998
00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:36,830
that nobody had anything on their

999
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:38,990
airplane that they had patented you know

1000
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,150
so I can understand why a person would

1001
00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:43,670
want to keep it private once they were

1002
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:47,300
able to refine the technology and get it

1003
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:48,500
to the point where it was you know

1004
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:50,630
working reliably then they could unveil

1005
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:53,210
it and get a lot of support at that

1006
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,830
point a lot of a lot of people buying

1007
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:56,960
into it the other thing I wanted to say

1008
00:44:02,020 --> 00:43:59,180
real quick though is that airships had

1009
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:02,030
flown prior to this back in the summer

1010
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:06,110
of 1884 1885 two French engineers Renaud

1011
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,360
and crepes had built an airship called

1012
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,640
muffins which was a little electric

1013
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:12,560
powered airship about a hundred and

1014
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:15,190
fifty feet long and they actually flew

1015
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:18,110
several times in this thing successfully

1016
00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:21,560
the idea that there wasn't any airships

1017
00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:24,260
prior to 1897 simply it was supported by

1018
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,390
history and in

1019
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:28,480
actus why i kind of wedged and look at

1020
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,360
this idea because it seems like it was

1021
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:33,520
the next logical step after we're not in

1022
00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:36,190
crepes had proven the concept it was a

1023
00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:38,500
matter of simply refining the technology

1024
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:41,590
more powerful engines things like that

1025
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:45,040
to to make it more feasible yep that's

1026
00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:47,170
my credit yeah that's interesting I had

1027
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:49,060
no idea that someone beat buns up into

1028
00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:50,350
the punch there well here's another

1029
00:44:56,010 --> 00:44:53,500
question for you if you look through the

1030
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:56,020
accounts from the time you'll notice

1031
00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:58,630
that there's quite a wide variety of

1032
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:01,120
descriptions of these craft well how do

1033
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:03,450
you account for widely differing

1034
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:06,610
descriptions of what we're talking about

1035
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:09,190
as being a single or possibly to you

1036
00:45:13,170 --> 00:45:11,470
craft or something well I think that

1037
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:13,180
like I said a lot of the descriptions

1038
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:14,770
probably were erroneous

1039
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:16,210
I think people got caught up in the

1040
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:18,490
fever of this thing there was a lot of

1041
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:21,010
interest in it people would see us

1042
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:24,190
something in the sky or sometimes this

1043
00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:26,230
out-and-out make stuff up just to get in

1044
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:28,390
the paper I mean they had accounts from

1045
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:30,370
as far north as Canada as far south as

1046
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:32,650
in South Texas and obviously this

1047
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:34,690
airship couldn't have been all over the

1048
00:45:38,490 --> 00:45:36,850
Midwest I mean it just simply was not

1049
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,500
practical that it could so a lot of

1050
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:41,440
these reports most likely are either

1051
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:45,520
wrong or hoaxes and that would account

1052
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:47,830
for a lot of disparity however what's

1053
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,140
amazing about this is that there was a

1054
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,200
lot of agreement most people said this

1055
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,800
thing was up to 200 feet long and cigar

1056
00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:58,960
shaped they would very sometimes on

1057
00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:00,790
whether it had one light or two lights

1058
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:03,580
or things like that but as far as the

1059
00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:06,070
general overall shape and description of

1060
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:07,060
the thing most of them are pretty

1061
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:09,310
consistent so why do we want to find

1062
00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:11,050
something mystical about it other than

1063
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:13,960
to say hey you know conceivably these

1064
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:15,490
were early experiments in

1065
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:18,040
heavier-than-air flight there's always

1066
00:46:23,610 --> 00:46:20,770
the idea of not you know that not

1067
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:23,620
knowing is very attractive there's

1068
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:25,210
something happened it's a mystery we

1069
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,670
don't know what it is and people just

1070
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:30,880
find that to be fascinating and so they

1071
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:32,200
come in and they want to fill in those

1072
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:33,460
gaps in our knowledge

1073
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:37,060
I suspect that history is full of things

1074
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:38,440
that happened

1075
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,500
that we don't know about that were the

1076
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:43,359
information was lost or the person got

1077
00:46:47,819 --> 00:46:44,770
killed before they were able to reveal

1078
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,829
it and we just we want to know these

1079
00:46:52,829 --> 00:46:49,599
things so when we get a mystery like

1080
00:46:55,319 --> 00:46:52,839
1897 airship people want to fill in

1081
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:55,329
those blanks and and make it into a

1082
00:46:58,980 --> 00:46:56,740
bigger thing than it really is because

1083
00:47:01,500 --> 00:46:58,990
if you think about it if it really was

1084
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:01,510
just a guy who had invented an airship

1085
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:03,730
that's not that exciting but if you

1086
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:07,119
think it's a UFO or extraterrestrials or

1087
00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:09,490
something like that it suddenly becomes

1088
00:47:15,089 --> 00:47:11,800
a much more exciting story alright was

1089
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:15,099
this particularly in the US and Canada

1090
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:17,740
do we find airships around the world

1091
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:20,770
well interestingly there are accounts of

1092
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:23,140
airships being seen in a lot of

1093
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:25,030
different places around the world during

1094
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:27,700
the eighteen hundreds some of these were

1095
00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:29,490
probably erroneous reports

1096
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:31,180
misrepresentations of the planet Venus

1097
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:35,650
or something like that but it's not no

1098
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:38,950
like I said things probably happened in

1099
00:47:42,569 --> 00:47:40,990
history that we don't know about and he

1100
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:42,579
never will just because the information

1101
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:45,910
has been lost so it's not at all amazing

1102
00:47:49,890 --> 00:47:48,520
to me to think that some people out

1103
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:49,900
there in different countries may have

1104
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:52,210
had the same idea after all the airplane

1105
00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:55,720
was being developed by people in

1106
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:56,980
different countries all over the world

1107
00:48:01,079 --> 00:47:58,810
at about the same time most of them were

1108
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:01,089
even working together they'd even know

1109
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:02,410
about the other person and they were

1110
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:03,700
coming up with a lot of the same ideas

1111
00:48:10,589 --> 00:48:07,660
and concept was a rush to be first with

1112
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:10,599
a successful invention a successful

1113
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:13,660
aircraft or were they as you say totally

1114
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,670
unaware of each other I think a lot of

1115
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:16,480
were unaware

1116
00:48:20,609 --> 00:48:18,430
I mean communications back then was was

1117
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,619
very poor unless you really made an

1118
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,720
effort to find out what was going on in

1119
00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:25,119
the world of aeronautics it was easy to

1120
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,589
assume that nothing much was happening

1121
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:28,000
and you were starting from scratch

1122
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,280
that's why you've had so much redundancy

1123
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:33,280
in early aviation attempts efforts

1124
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:35,589
because people were duplicating the same

1125
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:37,510
thing inventing the wheel over and over

1126
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:38,470
again because they didn't know what

1127
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:39,490
anyone else was doing

1128
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:41,500
just parenthetically the Wright brothers

1129
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:45,310
how close were other inventors to doing

1130
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:46,930
what they did there may have actually

1131
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:49,569
been a general milling close yeah

1132
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:51,130
actually a couple years before the

1133
00:48:55,099 --> 00:48:52,049
Wright brothers

1134
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,109
gentleman named Gustave Whitehead had

1135
00:49:00,439 --> 00:48:58,079
constructed a small monoplane and there

1136
00:49:02,209 --> 00:49:00,449
are people who believe and I happen to

1137
00:49:03,739 --> 00:49:02,219
be one of them who believe that he

1138
00:49:07,009 --> 00:49:03,749
actually was able to get this thing to

1139
00:49:09,289 --> 00:49:07,019
fly for short distances as early as 1901

1140
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:09,299
so the Wright brothers were the first

1141
00:49:13,759 --> 00:49:11,609
but what they did differently is they

1142
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,769
they recorded everything they got

1143
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:16,319
photographs they kept records they had

1144
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:19,859
they were marketing experts yeah you

1145
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,390
know a lot of the experts the lobby

1146
00:49:24,769 --> 00:49:23,640
inventors work in private in secret they

1147
00:49:26,299 --> 00:49:24,779
didn't want people to know what they

1148
00:49:29,269 --> 00:49:26,309
were doing and then nobody knew what

1149
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:29,279
about patent laws back in the late

1150
00:49:33,949 --> 00:49:32,339
portions of the 19th century did we had

1151
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:33,959
a patent law in the United States

1152
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:41,329
okay so weren't their rights to one's

1153
00:49:48,529 --> 00:49:46,249
inventions that we understand that

1154
00:49:49,759 --> 00:49:48,539
because some people denied I love the

1155
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:49,769
quote from the head of the Patent Office

1156
00:49:55,939 --> 00:49:53,640
and I think was 1898 that don't bother

1157
00:50:03,380 --> 00:49:55,949
trying anymore everything that can be

1158
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:03,390
invented has been invented for Jeff here

1159
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:06,359
another really cool event that I

1160
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:08,670
uncovered in my research and in the

1161
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:11,609
Rocky Mountain region was a very obscure

1162
00:50:17,509 --> 00:50:14,729
little-known event that was very well

1163
00:50:23,689 --> 00:50:17,519
covered in the state of New Mexico and

1164
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:23,699
it involves in 1880 a like a an airship

1165
00:50:29,479 --> 00:50:25,890
type object but in the shape of a fish

1166
00:50:31,819 --> 00:50:29,489
like a giant fish that landed near the

1167
00:50:34,249 --> 00:50:31,829
town picnic of Galisteo New Mexico in

1168
00:50:37,099 --> 00:50:34,259
1880 and a group of small diminutive

1169
00:50:39,529 --> 00:50:37,109
beans got out and got into a terrible

1170
00:50:41,269 --> 00:50:39,539
argument in some weird language and

1171
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:41,279
we're yelling and screaming at each

1172
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,650
other and they finally resolved the the

1173
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:45,599
argument you know in front of these

1174
00:50:50,929 --> 00:50:47,609
astonished townspeople God got back

1175
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:50,939
aboard their their fish-shaped airship

1176
00:50:54,289 --> 00:50:52,920
and took off you've never heard of that

1177
00:50:56,660 --> 00:50:54,299
one

1178
00:51:00,949 --> 00:50:56,670
my research indicates that was a band of

1179
00:51:05,819 --> 00:51:00,959
Italians there was a band of tiny

1180
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,829
Italians young Italians Italian yeah

1181
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:07,119
they were just having a car you know

1182
00:51:09,569 --> 00:51:08,319
conversation they were having a

1183
00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:09,579
disagreement and they got it worked out

1184
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,999
so you know all always good me in but to

1185
00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:13,839
answer your question

1186
00:51:17,609 --> 00:51:16,180
I mean slept and I'm sorry but no I'm

1187
00:51:23,969 --> 00:51:17,619
not really familiar with this particular

1188
00:51:25,949 --> 00:51:23,979
story I would like to so many more

1189
00:51:30,989 --> 00:51:25,959
coming up in the subsequent hours here

1190
00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:30,999
with Jeff Danyluk as we return to 1897

1191
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:33,880
and earlier going back through time with

1192
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:37,290
Jean and Kris you're in the para cast

1193
00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:48,020
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1195
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1196
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,760
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1209
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1210
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:24,810
wheat fabric engraving can bed strips

1211
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:26,250
and fibers to protect from counterfeit

1212
00:52:28,850 --> 00:52:27,930
and carding to a private bank having it

1213
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,860
led back at interest

1214
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,480
forcing taxes to service debt this

1215
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:32,160
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1216
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:33,480
stating a central bank issuing the

1217
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,980
public currency is a greater menace to

1218
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:36,000
the liberties of the people than a

1219
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:37,230
standing army today understand I'm

1220
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,550
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1221
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,200
that explains our monetary system call

1222
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:43,440
for your copy 806 86 to 237 it's time to

1223
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,260
understand the system call 866 to 237

1224
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:49,440
that's 800 686 to 237

1225
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:00,170
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1226
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:05,030
standard of paranormal radio and now

1227
00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:12,510
here's Jane Steinberg with Jeff Danyluk

1228
00:53:19,460 --> 00:53:15,560
with Jean and Chris from the para cast

1229
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:19,470
blaming it on who in 1897 I guess you

1230
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:21,990
blamed it on the Italians but small

1231
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:26,460
Italians by the way we're not insulting

1232
00:53:30,940 --> 00:53:27,530
Italian so you see it's a very

1233
00:53:33,830 --> 00:53:30,950
politically correct society these days

1234
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:33,840
so you know I'll give you an example of

1235
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:36,690
this just a few weeks ago I started

1236
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:40,350
watching these old DVDs of the Dean

1237
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:43,020
Martin celebrity roasts from the 1970s

1238
00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:47,280
and ethnic humor abounded there

1239
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,190
they attacked everyone and everybody had

1240
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,140
a good time everybody laughed now if you

1241
00:53:58,180 --> 00:53:54,240
do it you're a racist

1242
00:54:00,590 --> 00:53:58,190
whatever happened yeah we become PPI

1243
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,600
it's not fun ain't that the truth

1244
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:02,160
Chris you want to pursue this further

1245
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:07,230
well I do you know this whole wave of

1246
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,010
sightings I think is extremely

1247
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:12,300
underappreciated in the youth logical

1248
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,980
community of course everybody you know

1249
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,500
who's done their research I'm sure is

1250
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,140
familiar with it but I don't think the

1251
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:21,660
total scope when the width and breadth

1252
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:25,140
of the impact of these sightings is

1253
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:27,570
fully appreciated in the field I mean

1254
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:30,060
we're talking hundreds if not thousands

1255
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:32,970
of witnesses to these events and quite a

1256
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:34,950
number of as as you pointed out Jeff

1257
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,570
quite a number of very sober very

1258
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:39,420
factual newspaper accounts this did

1259
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,550
create quite an uproar in the country

1260
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,400
but it died down quickly as you as you

1261
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,920
pointed out which of the of the sighting

1262
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:49,200
events do you think were the most

1263
00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:53,220
impressive or had the most gravitas in

1264
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,320
terms of newspaper coverage well I

1265
00:54:59,900 --> 00:54:57,180
really think that the first ones are the

1266
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,910
first reports that came out because they

1267
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:01,680
were right out of the blue you know you

1268
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:03,210
think about it if this is something that

1269
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:05,910
somebody made up some newspaper made up

1270
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,619
or something it's just not the way it

1271
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:09,119
happens where it just suddenly

1272
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:11,940
pops out like that plus the denoble of

1273
00:55:16,759 --> 00:55:13,950
witnesses like you said and a degree of

1274
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:16,769
the witnesses including government

1275
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:20,339
officials police chiefs people saw this

1276
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:23,130
thing and but that was what I found

1277
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,170
interesting about this was that people

1278
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:26,640
didn't really think of this as

1279
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:28,529
extraterrestrial for the most part most

1280
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:31,440
of them assumed it was an inventor and

1281
00:55:36,739 --> 00:55:33,660
that's the way it was generally reported

1282
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:36,749
a lot in the press so I think it's a lot

1283
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,900
of people in our time assume everything

1284
00:55:43,759 --> 00:55:41,359
that's unexplained is extraterrestrial

1285
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:43,769
but back in those days they were much

1286
00:55:48,019 --> 00:55:46,410
more practical about these kinds of

1287
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,029
things and they didn't jump to

1288
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:50,700
conclusions the way we do today I think

1289
00:55:56,769 --> 00:55:52,920
well where do you come down on the the

1290
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:56,779
infamous Alexander Hamilton sighting and

1291
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:59,579
the abduction there actually was an

1292
00:56:06,499 --> 00:56:02,579
abduction event that was associated with

1293
00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:06,509
one of these airships except eight the

1294
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:08,430
occupants of the airship last seen a

1295
00:56:16,579 --> 00:56:10,859
calf I think it was in Kansas or

1296
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,589
someplace and okay that was actually a

1297
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:20,160
hoax and it was perpetrated by a club

1298
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,249
that had actually called the liar's club

1299
00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:25,079
and people actually joined this and they

1300
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,269
uh the whole idea was trying to outdo

1301
00:56:32,059 --> 00:56:29,640
the other person with the story so many

1302
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:32,069
people you can get to buy off on it so

1303
00:56:37,279 --> 00:56:34,410
this was later admitted that this was

1304
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:37,289
part of the liar's club you know goofing

1305
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:39,930
around here and so that story which has

1306
00:56:45,769 --> 00:56:42,329
been used by a lot of deep bunkers to be

1307
00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:45,779
bunk the whole thing really was a hoax

1308
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:47,789
but I don't think you can debunk the

1309
00:56:55,819 --> 00:56:50,609
whole thing based upon one story like

1310
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:55,829
that otherwise that's pretty creative

1311
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:57,930
though the last zoo a calf and drag it

1312
00:57:03,319 --> 00:57:00,839
off as you're flying away well hey you

1313
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:03,329
know the Lions Club you're going to come

1314
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:05,430
up with something creative this was

1315
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:08,099
quite a different culture back then you

1316
00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:10,170
know we tell you really don't understand

1317
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,470
at that time that era very well but

1318
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:15,599
people can entertain themselves didn't

1319
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:17,430
have television they didn't have radio

1320
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:19,559
they had nothing really but newspapers

1321
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:21,650
and storytelling and

1322
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:23,420
so they would come up with very creative

1323
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:25,490
stuff that's where the Jackalope came

1324
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:27,710
from and the fur fish and all these

1325
00:57:32,769 --> 00:57:30,799
things from the 1800s and these people

1326
00:57:36,249 --> 00:57:32,779
were very clever and very creative and

1327
00:57:40,089 --> 00:57:36,259
so there is a degree of joking going on

1328
00:57:41,859 --> 00:57:40,099
with this whole phenomena but I think

1329
00:57:43,749 --> 00:57:41,869
that doesn't explain the entire

1330
00:57:47,019 --> 00:57:43,759
phenomenon although it does explain

1331
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:47,029
different pieces of it I knew a fish in

1332
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:57,650
college but remember Chris in 1896 well

1333
00:58:01,780 --> 00:57:59,450
it took him 60 years ago passed the

1334
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:01,790
first year it was really troublesome

1335
00:58:05,769 --> 00:58:03,609
[Laughter]

1336
00:58:08,109 --> 00:58:05,779
he's not saying anything he's just

1337
00:58:08,759 --> 00:58:08,119
ignoring me yeah I shouldn't have said

1338
00:58:10,989 --> 00:58:08,769
that

1339
00:58:14,349 --> 00:58:10,999
jumped into it you got you a into it

1340
00:58:16,299 --> 00:58:14,359
okay let's look at other cases 1897 any

1341
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:16,309
other really really compelling cases you

1342
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:18,200
want to tell us about well I thought it

1343
00:58:22,989 --> 00:58:20,900
was interesting supposedly there is a

1344
00:58:26,829 --> 00:58:22,999
photograph there was a photograph taken

1345
00:58:29,769 --> 00:58:26,839
of the airship over Chicago on the

1346
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:29,779
morning of April 11th 1897

1347
00:58:34,029 --> 00:58:31,849
now the photograph apparently was in

1348
00:58:37,509 --> 00:58:34,039
such poor shape that they made a sketch

1349
00:58:39,339 --> 00:58:37,519
from it and I have that in my book it

1350
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:39,349
appeared in the newspaper but that would

1351
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,170
be really interesting if a photograph

1352
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:44,720
were to appear sometime showing this

1353
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:47,839
airship over over some City but that was

1354
00:58:53,799 --> 00:58:50,089
the closest to actually getting a photo

1355
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:53,809
of this object and it was reported very

1356
00:58:57,789 --> 00:58:55,430
straightforward the gentleman said he

1357
00:58:59,140 --> 00:58:57,799
borrowed his son's box camera six

1358
00:59:02,499 --> 00:58:59,150
o'clock in the morning to some photos

1359
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:02,509
it's thing and so you know what do you

1360
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:05,960
do with it either the man's lying or he

1361
00:59:09,789 --> 00:59:07,730
saw something and took a photograph and

1362
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:09,799
they didn't have Photoshop no there was

1363
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:11,930
no Photoshop and then I mean you could

1364
00:59:17,289 --> 00:59:13,369
mess with negatives I guess if you knew

1365
00:59:19,569 --> 00:59:17,299
what you were doing but it seems it

1366
00:59:21,789 --> 00:59:19,579
doesn't sound like something that a

1367
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:21,799
paper would make up you know that that

1368
00:59:25,269 --> 00:59:23,150
someone got a photograph of it and then

1369
00:59:26,979 --> 00:59:25,279
come up with a sketch that appears in

1370
00:59:28,749 --> 00:59:26,989
the paper that just doesn't sound

1371
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:28,759
especially your larger paper like

1372
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:31,369
Chicago because these were the people

1373
00:59:34,269 --> 00:59:32,660
that could make in great political

1374
00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:34,279
careers so your paper had to have a

1375
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:35,270
degree of credit

1376
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:37,369
so you couldn't pull some of the stuff

1377
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:39,410
that some members of the media do today

1378
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:41,270
no well you couldn't pull the kind of

1379
00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:43,700
stuff maybe a small-town paper cut you

1380
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:44,840
know they could get away with with

1381
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:46,550
making up stuff like this and nobody

1382
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:48,290
cared but when you are a major paper

1383
00:59:53,830 --> 00:59:51,890
like you know Omaha Chicago and you're

1384
00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:53,840
you're making up stuff that's gotta hurt

1385
00:59:59,980 --> 00:59:55,220
your credibility is gonna hurt your

1386
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,990
ability to be a player in the world also

1387
01:00:03,730 --> 01:00:01,760
if they get exposed of course there's

1388
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:03,740
always a competition you know it's not

1389
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:06,230
like it is today where large cities have

1390
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:09,770
one or at best two newspapers you had

1391
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,410
competition heavy competition if you can

1392
01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:14,720
kill the competitor off because they

1393
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were publishing false stories you can

1394
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kill it with the advertisers well

1395
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:20,600
exactly you gotta imagine that you're an

1396
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:22,730
editor of one of these papers in Chicago

1397
01:00:26,290 --> 01:00:24,740
and someone comes in and says hey people

1398
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:26,300
keep saying they saw these lights in the

1399
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:28,010
sky you have to make a decision am I

1400
01:00:32,290 --> 01:00:29,450
going to cover this as a straight story

1401
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:32,300
what am I going to disregard it or cut

1402
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,610
you know yeah so those decisions had to

1403
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:37,040
be made quite consistently by people so

1404
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:40,130
I can't believe all of them you know

1405
01:00:45,099 --> 01:00:42,470
were taken in by it maybe a few of them

1406
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:45,109
were but I think most of them really

1407
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:46,670
believed this was a legitimate story I

1408
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:48,500
think people really expected this

1409
01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:51,380
airship plan someplace and people to

1410
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:52,820
announce to the world that they had done

1411
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:55,520
it it just never happened and that's the

1412
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,930
tragedy you know and the mystery of it

1413
01:01:00,730 --> 01:00:58,640
yeah there was definitely something

1414
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:00,740
going on no I least in my estimation

1415
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:03,770
night there's just too many credible

1416
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:05,030
witnesses that we're willing to go on

1417
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,530
the record and come forward and too many

1418
01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:08,480
as you pointed out credible newspaper

1419
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:10,369
accounts it covered the whole thing I

1420
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:13,010
just can't I just can't still to this

1421
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:17,570
day I can't understand why you know

1422
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:19,810
short of some sort of catastrophic crash

1423
01:01:24,490 --> 01:01:23,060
that killed everybody involved why the

1424
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,500
inventor of this thing didn't come

1425
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,440
forward and say hey surprise it was me

1426
01:01:32,530 --> 01:01:29,359
what do you think of my new toy

1427
01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:32,540
hi people you know uh you know what if

1428
01:01:35,770 --> 01:01:34,340
the inventor was golf with the pilot any

1429
01:01:38,140 --> 01:01:35,780
good well the other question I would

1430
01:01:40,359 --> 01:01:38,150
have wouldn't you find some wreckage

1431
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,369
you'd think after all these years maybe

1432
01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:44,000
one piece of wreckage one prototype

1433
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:47,780
plans something some evidence that these

1434
01:01:52,750 --> 01:01:49,690
things were being developed

1435
01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:52,760
well you know I look at that very issue

1436
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:55,700
in the book yeah remember in 1897 most

1437
01:01:59,740 --> 01:01:57,740
of the Midwest was heavily forested it

1438
01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:59,750
was still pretty wild something went

1439
01:02:04,180 --> 01:02:02,720
down over Michigan in those forests in

1440
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:04,190
Michigan you know you could you could

1441
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:06,170
lose a herd of winos in that forest yeah

1442
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:08,690
but what about when you start civilizing

1443
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:10,970
those areas over the years certainly the

1444
01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:14,320
wreckage from 1897 would survive to

1445
01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:18,500
1960-1980 2011 wouldn't it well some of

1446
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:19,940
it would depends what it's made out of

1447
01:02:26,050 --> 01:02:23,750
if it's made out of bamboo largely or

1448
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,060
something like that and this would

1449
01:02:30,370 --> 01:02:28,160
survive but you know the thing exploded

1450
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:30,380
in there there so most of the bag is

1451
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:32,330
already gone most of the structure of

1452
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:34,730
the ship is gone the engines would

1453
01:02:41,110 --> 01:02:37,010
survive in some to pass that raises more

1454
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:41,120
alarms to have to be explored with right

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talking now with Jeff Danyluk about the

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great airship mystery of 1897 the

1570
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:37,230
question on the table here well you know

1571
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:40,050
where is the wreckage there had to be

1572
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:42,570
wreckage there had to be blueprints

1573
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:44,730
there had to be something well you know

1574
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:48,180
in Colorado here we've had airplanes go

1575
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down over the years and we even knew

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01:07:54,980 --> 01:07:53,370
roughly where they were down and 20 30

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01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:54,990
years later they still can't find the

1578
01:07:58,730 --> 01:07:57,180
wreckage and we even knew there was an

1579
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:58,740
airplane and we're roughly where it went

1580
01:08:02,930 --> 01:08:00,420
down we still can't find it well I think

1581
01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:02,940
that that's one area that's a specific

1582
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,070
part of the country there are a lot of

1583
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:06,720
parts like that but these things are

1584
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:09,450
flying over urban areas they're holding

1585
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:10,050
somewhere

1586
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:11,450
you know I mean it was it was flying

1587
01:08:15,860 --> 01:08:13,770
occasionally over urban areas but mostly

1588
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:15,870
over widow areas in fairly remote areas

1589
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:18,210
most his reports came out of by farmers

1590
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:20,310
and people like that Ranchers so if it

1591
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:22,290
did go down it could have gone down into

1592
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a lake it could have been easily covered

1593
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:27,299
over with growth in nobody ever filed it

1594
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:29,850
there was an airplane that was flying

1595
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:32,670
from France to America about the same

1596
01:08:36,890 --> 01:08:34,710
time Lindbergh crossed the ocean and

1597
01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:36,900
it's called the blue bird left France

1598
01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:39,240
had two pilots on it they never found it

1599
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:41,100
they think it made it to Nova Scotia and

1600
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:43,410
crash there and people have been looking

1601
01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:45,060
for this thing for years and years years

1602
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:46,680
they have never been able to find any

1603
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,290
evidence of this this airplane okay will

1604
01:08:54,019 --> 01:08:51,480
ever stand the aircraft crashes what

1605
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:54,029
about the plans what about someone

1606
01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:56,970
leaving in a diary information for their

1607
01:09:03,980 --> 01:09:00,750
heirs saying hey you know before I died

1608
01:09:06,230 --> 01:09:03,990
I developed this airship and it flew it

1609
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:06,240
crashed it didn't make it but insurance

1610
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:09,690
plans here's my theory my theory is that

1611
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:12,330
once this thing crashed the banker

1612
01:09:17,210 --> 01:09:13,890
behind this thing the financier behind

1613
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:17,220
it lost his investments he also was

1614
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:18,890
putting himself up to lawsuits

1615
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:20,850
essentially I think it would have made

1616
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:23,190
more sense to just kind of hide the

1617
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:24,810
whole thing hide the vouchers all the

1618
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:26,759
stuff that he had with it I say that

1619
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:28,049
this guy may have been from San

1620
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,750
Francisco maybe he did keep blueprints

1621
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:32,580
maybe he kept all kinds of working

1622
01:09:34,969 --> 01:09:34,650
drawings in a chest somewhere and at

1623
01:09:37,249 --> 01:09:34,979
that

1624
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:37,259
well what happened in San Francisco in

1625
01:09:42,529 --> 01:09:40,650
nineteen six okay we understand you're

1626
01:09:44,959 --> 01:09:42,539
quaking fire right things got a little

1627
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:44,969
bit manic ah who burned yeah it got it

1628
01:09:49,069 --> 01:09:48,449
got destroyed in in the 1906 fire an

1629
01:09:51,559 --> 01:09:49,079
earthquake

1630
01:09:54,379 --> 01:09:51,569
it wouldn't be take much okay this is

1631
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,389
San Francisco like assuming the guys

1632
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:56,400
from Stanford why do we assume why do

1633
01:09:59,719 --> 01:09:57,719
you even come up with that kind of

1634
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,729
theory well the news in San Francisco

1635
01:10:03,589 --> 01:10:01,679
makes sense is because that was really

1636
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:03,599
the wealth center of the west coast at

1637
01:10:07,879 --> 01:10:05,489
that time there was no other city that

1638
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:07,889
came even close to the number of

1639
01:10:10,549 --> 01:10:09,449
millionaires and people like that who

1640
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:10,559
live there other you know you'd have to

1641
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,449
go to New York or Chicago to find a

1642
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:14,159
similar number of wealthy people so

1643
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:16,130
basically if you're working in the

1644
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:19,320
Midwest or the West and you want someone

1645
01:10:24,589 --> 01:10:22,530
to fund some kind of development you go

1646
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:24,599
to San Francisco you you know why are

1647
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:26,729
powered in San Francisco and you say

1648
01:10:31,759 --> 01:10:29,489
give me $100,000 I want to build a

1649
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,769
spaceship or something yep that's what I

1650
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:33,840
would do that's the place I would go and

1651
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,239
it didn't that's the major port it's the

1652
01:10:39,859 --> 01:10:38,400
major rail head so all the supplies and

1653
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,869
stuff that you needed from the East

1654
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:42,239
Coast you already have access to that it

1655
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,190
just made sense to me that that's where

1656
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:46,320
it would start plus at the time

1657
01:10:51,129 --> 01:10:48,449
California was still remote enough most

1658
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,139
of it that you could set up a dirigible

1659
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,760
hangar somewhere out in the woods and

1660
01:10:58,219 --> 01:10:55,920
you would never find it not many people

1661
01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:58,229
would see it I'm unlike the East Coast

1662
01:11:01,699 --> 01:10:59,820
where you know if you try to build

1663
01:11:04,699 --> 01:11:01,709
anything everybody would know about it

1664
01:11:06,259 --> 01:11:04,709
so you're saying basically all this

1665
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:06,269
could have happened over this year

1666
01:11:12,169 --> 01:11:09,510
period or other years and we may never

1667
01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:12,179
ever be able to find any evidence of it

1668
01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:14,670
except purely by accident someone's

1669
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:18,030
attic someone's basement oh sure you

1670
01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:19,800
know and maybe the people that worked on

1671
01:11:23,839 --> 01:11:21,630
it some of them maybe when they were

1672
01:11:25,339 --> 01:11:23,849
older they told stories to their kids

1673
01:11:27,379 --> 01:11:25,349
about what they worked on the great

1674
01:11:29,449 --> 01:11:27,389
airship and the kid said oh you know

1675
01:11:32,959 --> 01:11:29,459
grandpa's telling stories again

1676
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:32,969
grandpa phase you know he's a silly old

1677
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,070
man and remember two people didn't live

1678
01:11:40,339 --> 01:11:37,800
as long then so grandpa Ben might be 50

1679
01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:40,349
years old not 75 you know and this

1680
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:41,820
lawyer could have sworn them all to

1681
01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:43,860
silence to secrecy listen you say

1682
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:45,420
anything about what we were working on

1683
01:11:48,380 --> 01:11:46,050
here

1684
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:48,390
you know uncle Apia you know legally

1685
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:50,250
looking at society then now nowadays

1686
01:11:55,250 --> 01:11:53,580
when great developments occur aircraft

1687
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:55,260
it's always the government or almost

1688
01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:57,330
always the government what about the

1689
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:00,420
government of 1897 the military were

1690
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:02,610
they interested in scientific stuff yeah

1691
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:04,380
they were always looking at technology

1692
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:06,270
but they can build anything themselves

1693
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,610
you know everything that the military

1694
01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:10,560
came up with somebody had some civilian

1695
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:12,150
had invented it the government just

1696
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,710
didn't fund these things back then they

1697
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:15,840
didn't have the resources if you came up

1698
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:17,580
with something interesting they wanted

1699
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:18,810
to see what you were doing and they

1700
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:20,490
might buy it from you but they weren't

1701
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:22,170
gonna develop it's kind of like some

1702
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:24,570
political movements nowadays we say the

1703
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,890
government should do nothing we should

1704
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,320
hand it off to private industry it's

1705
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:31,140
like going back 210 years in time well

1706
01:12:33,230 --> 01:12:31,410
yeah

1707
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:33,240
private industry was really all there

1708
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:36,210
was until recent times actually if you

1709
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:37,770
think about even today the government

1710
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:39,900
doesn't really make anything everything

1711
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:42,090
that we put in the space all of those

1712
01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:44,580
weapons that we buy those are all built

1713
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:48,600
by private contractors so wait a minute

1714
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:50,280
the government's the government's you're

1715
01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:53,370
making a lot of people angry yeah it

1716
01:12:58,190 --> 01:12:55,350
makes it makes people mad but it doesn't

1717
01:13:00,650 --> 01:12:58,200
make stop right what does the contracts

1718
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:00,660
with private industry to build it the

1719
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:03,990
design is funded the prototypes are

1720
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:06,300
funded whatever yeah today especially

1721
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,370
the government will go ahead and give

1722
01:13:12,230 --> 01:13:10,080
out contracts to build something to a

1723
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:12,240
particular specifications but in the

1724
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:14,430
early years they would you shop around

1725
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:16,440
like anyone else and if somebody had

1726
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:18,510
built an airplane or something that

1727
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:20,370
looked like it had military applications

1728
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,570
the government would go ahead and

1729
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:23,520
purchase them and then they might at

1730
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:26,130
some point specify a tackled airplane a

1731
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:28,110
wanted and then they would have a bunch

1732
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:29,730
of different companies competing for it

1733
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,260
and then they would purchase from

1734
01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:33,360
whichever one won the competition okay

1735
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:36,030
looking back at 1897 the airships it's

1736
01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:38,760
sort of erupts in 1897 although maybe

1737
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:40,260
there are some glimmers of other things

1738
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:42,210
happening before then and that stops

1739
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:45,930
completely pretty much there was a few

1740
01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:47,910
stories going all the way to the late

1741
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,550
summer of 1897 but most of them pretty

1742
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:52,260
well came to an end about April and May

1743
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:54,300
of that year all right so it was just a

1744
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:57,050
few months and it's gone okay exactly

1745
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:59,100
that's what leads me to believe that

1746
01:14:02,569 --> 01:13:59,820
this is

1747
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:02,579
Levent we're a mythology is some kind of

1748
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:04,770
a legend it would it would have legs of

1749
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:06,690
it film that would take it for years

1750
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:09,480
probably but it just you know it died as

1751
01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:12,060
quickly as it began which suggests a

1752
01:14:18,589 --> 01:14:15,750
real story behind all of the behind all

1753
01:14:21,379 --> 01:14:18,599
the reports so conventional science what

1754
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,389
do they say about 1897 of anything well

1755
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:24,239
they usually either assume it was a hoax

1756
01:14:30,859 --> 01:14:28,380
newspaper stories or it was mass

1757
01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:30,869
hysteria people heard about these lights

1758
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:32,460
they went out they saw something in the

1759
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:35,250
sky they got excited he called the paper

1760
01:14:39,919 --> 01:14:37,010
told them that they saw an airship

1761
01:14:41,629 --> 01:14:39,929
certainly that was a degree of that but

1762
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:41,639
one thing I point out in my book is that

1763
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:45,510
people in 1897 were probably more aware

1764
01:14:48,430 --> 01:14:48,090
of what was in the night sky than we are

1765
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:48,440
today

1766
01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:50,369
remember there wasn't a lot of lights

1767
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:52,260
back then but people had a really good

1768
01:14:55,459 --> 01:14:54,000
view at night they understood you know

1769
01:14:58,010 --> 01:14:55,469
they could see the Milky Way the new

1770
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,020
Venus they knew Saturn they were very

1771
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:00,960
aware of what was up in there so if they

1772
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,570
saw something they wouldn't mistake it

1773
01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:05,760
for Venus they knew what Venus was so we

1774
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:09,540
said pollution I was living in the 1890s

1775
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:13,560
but there was no TV said Venus well

1776
01:15:19,729 --> 01:15:17,219
radio thank you exactly what people do

1777
01:15:20,959 --> 01:15:19,739
today who aren't really watching here

1778
01:15:23,330 --> 01:15:20,969
they don't know much about astronomy

1779
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:23,340
other stars they get a very bright Venus

1780
01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:25,320
low on the horizon and they're driving

1781
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:27,030
their car through the woods and this

1782
01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:28,650
thing look like it's following them well

1783
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:29,790
I'll tell you what someone's gonna

1784
01:15:33,740 --> 01:15:32,219
follow us if we don't do this break with

1785
01:15:35,629 --> 01:15:33,750
Jeff don't know what you don't know

1786
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1787
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Gene and Chris you're following the para

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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parrot cat and it's as good as it gets

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believing with Tina and Chris you're in

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the para cast and know to answer the

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question of what we were talking about

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before this part started I was not

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singing nor do I pretend to sing but

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anything except for my supper so I can

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get something to eat we're talking about

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the great 1897 airship mystery with Jeff

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Danyluk maybe it wasn't a mystery maybe

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it was just somebody really smarter some

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smart people developing airships and

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that was it and the invention came and

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went a singular event and then within a

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few years we had real heavier-than-air

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craft but do you think if there was any

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psychic element to this this served as

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the precursor again the announcement

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heralding the future development in the

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near future and today we're fairly

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lackadaisical about it we have come to

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you know we expect so much of it now

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that we don't even think twice but back

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then all this stuff was gee whiz isn't

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that cool so people were aware that it

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was only a matter of time before man

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learned to fly and they were

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anticipating that and of course balloons

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had been around since the 1700s you know

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the first hot air balloon flew in 1783

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so people are already aware that man had

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flown before but in terms of a heavier

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than air flight that was something that

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was still the things that made it

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possible

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Mercedes then they invented the car what

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in 1889 or something well they had some

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actual experimental electric cars back

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in the late 1880s but yeah you're like

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the first real true cars didn't come out

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until about 1897 1898 that period of

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time right in between

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say 1895 and 1905 was an amazing period

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of growth and just as bursts of

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creativity all over the world

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aviation submarines everything you can

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think of really got it we've got going

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about that time if you didn't want to

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live to 45 yeah and if you didn't want

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clean water clean air stuff like that

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you know then that wasn't that was the

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time to live well okay there is that not

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that I'm looking forward to it yeah

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Chris let's explore the edges of this

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well when I look at waves of activity

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that seem to be out of place out of time

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one of the things that I always am most

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interested in is the effect that it has

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on culture looking you know in

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researching the subject to the extent

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that you have have you looked into the

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repercussions of this airship wave in

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the perception of the public did it lead

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to a series of books or was there any

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sort of effect of it reverberating

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through culture you mentioned before

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that if it had been some sort of hoax or

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fanciful thinking that we would have

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seen again as you put it grow legs and

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continue on and on but the fact that it

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seems to have just dropped off is

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interesting to me and I'm wondering if

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there were any effects of this

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particular sighting wave in the culture

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in terms of literary works or you know

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where we're even getting into the early

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movies so within ten years at that point

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so just you know did you stumble on

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anything did you see any outbreaks of

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these types of events in other countries

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for instance it's gonna be a uniquely

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American phenomena and I think that

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people didn't see it as being anything

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that amazing do you remember you're

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right it's right on the heels of

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Zeppelin airships flying in 1900 so

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there wasn't really enough time for

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develop the mythology and it wasn't

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to most people's way of thinking it

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wasn't as big an event as we would

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probably make it out to be today I also

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remember that this was kind of in the

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aftermath of HG Wells and Orson all

1979
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their stuff came out there were the

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wolves

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so people already used to thinking in

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terms of outer space and technological

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advances of all kinds so anyway that's

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one reason I thought that this was more

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likely a terrestrial that just because

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people did not seem to blow it out of

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proportion as much as we would do today

1988
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yeah what about UFO sightings in general

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do we have much activity during that

1990
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period I'm speaking of UFOs separate

1991
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from the airships unidentified times

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well there was very few reports that I

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have found from that era there are

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actually some interesting accounts from

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you know Roman days you know the ancient

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Roman Empire the Greeks some of these

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people have reported seeing things in

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the sky but in terms of the Old West in

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America and specifically I didn't see a

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lot of that and part of the reason for

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that probably is just the remoteness of

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the region it was you know you saw

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something like that reported it the

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chances are it wasn't going to get very

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far probably just you know your own

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local paper would report it maybe and

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that was going to be as far as it got it

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usually wasn't picked up and spread

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around the country like things are today

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we have a sighting in you know in

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Arizona at Phoenix you know and and

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within three hours everybody knows about

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01:26:00,190 --> 01:25:56,780
it and it's on YouTube back then you had

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a sighting and it would be weeks before

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it was reported then probably nobody

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would care well I was mentioning before

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you came on there was a sighting this

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week in Scottsdale Arizona which is

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northeast of Phoenix as many of our

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listeners know and it was at a high

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01:26:18,490 --> 01:26:16,820
school football game people took movies

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of it didn't look like anything more

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than some lights in the sky but listen

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you know look how quick that gets out

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exactly and also there was some video

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taken

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an NFL game I think a couple of weeks

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01:26:36,970 --> 01:26:33,200
show it was just a quick shot of a

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01:26:38,890 --> 01:26:36,980
couple of things streaking by that

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01:26:40,540 --> 01:26:38,900
nobody really saw at the time they shot

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01:26:41,740 --> 01:26:40,550
it but you know when they look back over

2032
01:26:44,979 --> 01:26:41,750
the footage they could see that

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01:26:46,540 --> 01:26:44,989
something is definitely there and to you

2034
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:46,550
know to this day we still don't know

2035
01:26:51,610 --> 01:26:50,510
what it was but well I have talked and

2036
01:26:54,820 --> 01:26:51,620
other people have talked about the

2037
01:26:57,490 --> 01:26:54,830
so-called publicity flap which is a UFO

2038
01:26:59,530 --> 01:26:57,500
case get some prominence people start

2039
01:27:02,140 --> 01:26:59,540
looking at the skies and see more things

2040
01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:02,150
the press reports stories they would not

2041
01:27:05,979 --> 01:27:04,520
otherwise have reported because of the

2042
01:27:08,260 --> 01:27:05,989
fact that there are other news events

2043
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:08,270
and suddenly you have a lot of stories

2044
01:27:15,190 --> 01:27:10,610
but in the end it's not necessarily that

2045
01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:15,200
the signal is louder but that we see it

2046
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,060
for a while and then we forget about it

2047
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and the flap disappears not because

2048
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there were more cases but because we

2049
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:27,710
were talking about them but I can't

2050
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:30,410
disregard a discount this idea that if

2051
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:32,120
one person reports UFOs suddenly

2052
01:27:36,729 --> 01:27:34,330
everybody's seeing them you know we are

2053
01:27:38,830 --> 01:27:36,739
sophisticated enough that we're we're so

2054
01:27:41,290 --> 01:27:38,840
used to aircraft and helicopters and

2055
01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:41,300
things like that that we know largely

2056
01:27:44,979 --> 01:27:43,190
when we see something yes but the other

2057
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:44,989
thing is that if you see it in the

2058
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:47,810
papers or you hear it on TV or you see

2059
01:27:52,150 --> 01:27:50,450
on YouTube the sighting you already had

2060
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:52,160
you're more inclined to report you

2061
01:27:55,060 --> 01:27:53,360
figure well they're not gonna laugh

2062
01:27:57,070 --> 01:27:55,070
about me you've got these other people

2063
01:27:59,770 --> 01:27:57,080
reporting it oh yeah that's true that

2064
01:28:01,150 --> 01:27:59,780
will bring people out to talk about

2065
01:28:02,970 --> 01:28:01,160
things that they wouldn't otherwise talk

2066
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:02,980
about I've never said in my own research

2067
01:28:08,890 --> 01:28:06,830
that when I talk to people about their

2068
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,900
experiences after a while they will

2069
01:28:14,340 --> 01:28:11,600
start confiding stuff in me that they

2070
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:14,350
probably wouldn't volunteer upfront and

2071
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,510
it's just like those stories everybody

2072
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:20,000
has a ghost story you know they may say

2073
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:21,290
I don't believe in ghosts but as soon as

2074
01:28:24,459 --> 01:28:23,150
you start asking them have you ever you

2075
01:28:26,590 --> 01:28:24,469
know you know anybody see one they

2076
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:26,600
always have a story and I think if

2077
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:28,810
there's a lot of times family with UFOs

2078
01:28:34,900 --> 01:28:31,130
they got the sighting they took it in

2079
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:34,910
stride or well with pilots they don't

2080
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:36,890
want to report a UFO you remember that

2081
01:28:40,460 --> 01:28:39,290
scene in Close Encounters of the Third

2082
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:40,470
Kind where

2083
01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:42,930
the air traffic controller says okay do

2084
01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:44,670
you want to report a UFO and he says no

2085
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:46,740
no no don't want to bother you no I get

2086
01:28:51,260 --> 01:28:49,380
involved yeah yeah that's that's

2087
01:28:54,710 --> 01:28:51,270
actually probably a pretty I'll sure

2088
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:54,720
what actually happens and they are

2089
01:28:58,490 --> 01:28:56,340
starting to come forward a little bit

2090
01:29:00,380 --> 01:28:58,500
more nowadays they're not quite as

2091
01:29:02,810 --> 01:29:00,390
fearful but I mean back then people

2092
01:29:06,230 --> 01:29:02,820
really could lose their jobs coming out

2093
01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:06,240
reported still can I think you can it's

2094
01:29:09,730 --> 01:29:07,560
a little bit harder you do have

2095
01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:09,740
something you know some legal

2096
01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:12,150
ramifications and things if you first

2097
01:29:16,730 --> 01:29:14,100
come on then you go on cable news and

2098
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:16,740
you say here's my lawyer he was fired

2099
01:29:21,050 --> 01:29:18,420
because he saw something strange in the

2100
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:21,060
sky this is a travesty

2101
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:23,730
the airline gets bad publicity and they

2102
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,260
decide you know what we can't fire that

2103
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person that's what happens that's a

2104
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danger because no matter what you do

2105
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everybody will hear about just like

2106
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you're hearing this we have Jeff Dalek

2107
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you're in the para cast

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2195
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2196
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2198
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2205
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2208
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:39,740
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2209
01:33:44,530 --> 01:33:42,410
impressive testimonies to this effect or

2210
01:33:46,660 --> 01:33:44,540
call eight eight eight nine eight eight

2211
01:33:48,490 --> 01:33:46,670
three three two five that's eight eight

2212
01:33:49,340 --> 01:33:48,500
eight nine eight eight three three two

2213
01:33:54,340 --> 01:33:49,350
five

2214
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:54,350
[Music]

2215
01:34:00,420 --> 01:33:57,440
this is a skirt 70 author you up on this

2216
01:34:02,730 --> 01:34:00,430
reading and listening to the paragraph

2217
01:34:06,250 --> 01:34:02,740
[Music]

2218
01:34:09,580 --> 01:34:06,260
so as we continue we're traveling back

2219
01:34:13,210 --> 01:34:09,590
and forth through time from 1897 and

2220
01:34:16,270 --> 01:34:13,220
Beyond to see what was going on you've

2221
01:34:20,430 --> 01:34:16,280
been covering the paranormal scene for a

2222
01:34:24,250 --> 01:34:20,440
number of years and always active about

2223
01:34:26,380 --> 01:34:24,260
2003 2004 is mine right when I first

2224
01:34:29,770 --> 01:34:26,390
started that doing this kind of uh this

2225
01:34:33,580 --> 01:34:29,780
kid full-time sure but why did you start

2226
01:34:35,260 --> 01:34:33,590
originally well you know there's just I

2227
01:34:37,210 --> 01:34:35,270
just have always been curious about

2228
01:34:39,580 --> 01:34:37,220
stuff like this when I was a kid I was

2229
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:39,590
into the Bermuda Triangle Bigfoot all

2230
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:42,110
that stuff and it never really left me

2231
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:44,480
as I got older I was ill adjusted in

2232
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:48,110
this stuff and I still end today and I

2233
01:34:54,910 --> 01:34:52,310
just found that there was a lack of

2234
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:54,920
objectivity in this field and I thought

2235
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:56,330
well you know instead of complaining

2236
01:35:00,490 --> 01:34:58,010
about that why don't I go ahead and

2237
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:00,500
write my own books and fortunately I was

2238
01:35:04,270 --> 01:35:01,970
able to find publishers to pick them up

2239
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:04,280
and things like that and one thing led

2240
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:06,490
to another and all of a sudden I became

2241
01:35:12,490 --> 01:35:10,250
a quote/unquote expert in the field just

2242
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:12,500
by the mere fact that I you know put a

2243
01:35:17,710 --> 01:35:15,530
few books out and people read them what

2244
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:17,720
is your background in terms of

2245
01:35:22,570 --> 01:35:19,970
professional writing and otherwise well

2246
01:35:24,250 --> 01:35:22,580
I have no credentials really as a

2247
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:24,260
professional letter themselves taught

2248
01:35:32,050 --> 01:35:27,770
I'm a graphic designer by training a

2249
01:35:34,630 --> 01:35:32,060
navy veteran just start writing in my

2250
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:34,640
late 30s early 40s when I started

2251
01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:36,530
picking it up just kind of as a hobby

2252
01:35:45,970 --> 01:35:42,230
relaxation and I think I have an ability

2253
01:35:48,450 --> 01:35:45,980
though that to look at something from

2254
01:35:51,250 --> 01:35:48,460
both sides without necessarily

2255
01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:51,260
discounting or believing anything and I

2256
01:35:56,890 --> 01:35:53,950
think that's what's rare in this field

2257
01:35:58,780 --> 01:35:56,900
and why we need more people to do that

2258
01:36:00,940 --> 01:35:58,790
kind of frankly I'm looking at your

2259
01:36:03,340 --> 01:36:00,950
catalog and I'm finding some really

2260
01:36:05,470 --> 01:36:03,350
fascinating titles and I want to throw

2261
01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:05,480
just a couple of other things that your

2262
01:36:12,670 --> 01:36:07,790
way in addition to 1897

2263
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:12,680
that is UFOs the great debate now what

2264
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:15,620
areas do you cover in that book and what

2265
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,010
kind of conclusions do you reach well I

2266
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:21,440
spend a lot of time looking at the whole

2267
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:25,250
question of reverse engineering alien

2268
01:36:29,710 --> 01:36:27,800
technologies you know how possible is

2269
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:29,720
that is that something that really could

2270
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:32,510
be done with our level of scientific

2271
01:36:37,150 --> 01:36:35,090
ability today so I spent a lot of time

2272
01:36:40,710 --> 01:36:37,160
looking at that issue I come to the

2273
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:40,720
conclusion that we really couldn't

2274
01:36:46,690 --> 01:36:43,610
reverse-engineer these things with our

2275
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:46,700
level of technology any more than a 19th

2276
01:36:51,010 --> 01:36:49,010
century scientist could reverse engineer

2277
01:36:53,770 --> 01:36:51,020
a nuclear submarine or an iPhone and

2278
01:36:55,210 --> 01:36:53,780
victim or an iPhone or a wristwatch you

2279
01:36:58,270 --> 01:36:55,220
know I mean if you don't have that

2280
01:36:59,710 --> 01:36:58,280
technology base already in place you

2281
01:37:01,930 --> 01:36:59,720
can't do it you can reverse something

2282
01:37:05,470 --> 01:37:01,940
that's similar to what you already have

2283
01:37:07,570 --> 01:37:05,480
you could take a car from England and

2284
01:37:09,010 --> 01:37:07,580
you know figure out how they put it

2285
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:09,020
together and make one like it in America

2286
01:37:14,110 --> 01:37:11,930
but that's the comparable technology or

2287
01:37:16,660 --> 01:37:14,120
reverse engineer software for example do

2288
01:37:18,700 --> 01:37:16,670
the same thing so you don't think even

2289
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:18,710
if there was a Roswell crash that

2290
01:37:25,420 --> 01:37:21,890
anybody was able to decode anything from

2291
01:37:27,730 --> 01:37:25,430
that technology no I don't I don't think

2292
01:37:29,890 --> 01:37:27,740
it's possible first of all and I don't

2293
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:29,900
think that any civilization would be

2294
01:37:34,270 --> 01:37:31,850
stupid enough to let us get out there

2295
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:34,280
hang our hands on that technology they

2296
01:37:40,930 --> 01:37:37,010
would have to have ways of recovering it

2297
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:40,940
or destroying it in in suit oh you mean

2298
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:43,130
you mean big radar units in New Mexico

2299
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:54,460
okay so in this money as it drives you

2300
01:38:02,260 --> 01:37:57,650
nuts why does it drive you nuts because

2301
01:38:05,820 --> 01:38:02,270
there is so little objectivity in this

2302
01:38:08,050 --> 01:38:05,830
in this area nobody will listen to other

2303
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:08,060
explanations or if they do they just

2304
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,610
ignore them and I think there's

2305
01:38:15,220 --> 01:38:12,320
perfectly good explanations for what

2306
01:38:16,150 --> 01:38:15,230
happened in July present company

2307
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:16,160
excluded

2308
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:18,410
with the nobody thing here we we've

2309
01:38:23,210 --> 01:38:20,250
looked at Roswell every

2310
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:23,220
which way but loose Nick Redfern one of

2311
01:38:28,010 --> 01:38:25,800
our former co-host wrote probably one of

2312
01:38:30,530 --> 01:38:28,020
the most amazing books about the case

2313
01:38:34,420 --> 01:38:30,540
Body Snatchers in the desert but we

2314
01:38:38,690 --> 01:38:34,430
agree with you that Roswell is should

2315
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:38,700
dry up and blow away or something I didn

2316
01:38:42,530 --> 01:38:40,770
t know I didn't mean dinner okay but

2317
01:38:44,660 --> 01:38:42,540
that's a good point here so do you think

2318
01:38:47,150 --> 01:38:44,670
it was balloons or a secret weapon or

2319
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:47,160
something oh yeah I think it was the

2320
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:50,250
Mobil balloons I I you know I'm a

2321
01:38:54,170 --> 01:38:52,080
veteran myself and I've been in the

2322
01:38:56,060 --> 01:38:54,180
military for I was in military for eight

2323
01:38:57,950 --> 01:38:56,070
years I know kind of how they work and

2324
01:38:59,420 --> 01:38:57,960
they are secretive they keep a lot of

2325
01:39:01,670 --> 01:38:59,430
stuff away from people but when they do

2326
01:39:03,950 --> 01:39:01,680
try to come forward they generally don't

2327
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:03,960
make stuff up they'll be classified

2328
01:39:08,750 --> 01:39:05,520
something in say okay here's what it was

2329
01:39:11,420 --> 01:39:08,760
and then if you even either believe it

2330
01:39:13,390 --> 01:39:11,430
or not believe it but I just I just

2331
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:13,400
don't buy off on this whole government

2332
01:39:17,180 --> 01:39:15,780
conspiracy let's hide all this stuff you

2333
01:39:19,580 --> 01:39:17,190
just couldn't do it there's too many

2334
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:19,590
people involved there's nobody's been

2335
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,380
how many years now it's like over 60 70

2336
01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:24,480
years almost how many thousands of

2337
01:39:29,210 --> 01:39:26,190
people would have to come across this

2338
01:39:31,820 --> 01:39:29,220
wreckage and these alien bodies and all

2339
01:39:33,740 --> 01:39:31,830
this stuff as part of the process and

2340
01:39:35,810 --> 01:39:33,750
they'll keep it all a secret it's just

2341
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:35,820
none of it hold together what about all

2342
01:39:38,540 --> 01:39:37,050
these interviews they're doing they're

2343
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:38,550
always finding people who seem to have

2344
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:41,970
memories of their own or those of a near

2345
01:39:46,570 --> 01:39:44,490
relative now the thing I always worry

2346
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:46,580
about here whatever they want to say is

2347
01:39:53,300 --> 01:39:50,610
that you're going through 50 60 years of

2348
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:53,310
time you'll live an entire life the

2349
01:40:00,410 --> 01:39:57,120
culture has got to alter what you

2350
01:40:03,470 --> 01:40:00,420
remember of your youth or your early 20s

2351
01:40:05,540 --> 01:40:03,480
your early adulthood so how do we know

2352
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,550
what has colored what they're telling us

2353
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:07,920
now we don't have the hard evidence no

2354
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:10,650
and even the the eyewitness evidence

2355
01:40:14,090 --> 01:40:12,270
there's really no very few eyewitness

2356
01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:14,100
and hoping as any living eyewitnesses I

2357
01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:16,980
think Jesse Marcel son is still alive

2358
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:19,080
and he saw the wreck and he touched the

2359
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:20,850
wreck it looks suspiciously yeah look

2360
01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:22,230
but what looks suspiciously like a

2361
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:24,390
mobile balloon but the other thing I

2362
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:26,280
noticed about this story is that some of

2363
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:28,170
the original elements of it the bodies

2364
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:30,210
that were seen being taken away in

2365
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:33,090
different groups that came upon me this

2366
01:40:35,580 --> 01:40:33,610
fly

2367
01:40:37,650 --> 01:40:35,590
ah sir and all this stuff turns out to

2368
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:37,660
have been hoaxed even though it's been

2369
01:40:43,110 --> 01:40:41,110
discredited the story itself is kind of

2370
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:43,120
woven into the rest of the story and

2371
01:40:47,130 --> 01:40:45,490
still stays there so people will still

2372
01:40:48,930 --> 01:40:47,140
these elements are still there in the

2373
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:48,940
story even though the person who

2374
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,080
originally told them has been

2375
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:52,320
discredited and it's it's almost like

2376
01:40:57,540 --> 01:40:54,850
people so badly want this to be true

2377
01:40:59,400 --> 01:40:57,550
that they don't care what the source of

2378
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,410
the information is as long as it fits

2379
01:41:03,630 --> 01:41:01,840
that that paradigm they're going to

2380
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:03,640
incorporate it into the story and it

2381
01:41:07,230 --> 01:41:05,170
just keeps growing and growing now

2382
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:07,240
there's three crash sites in Roswell

2383
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:09,610
there's not just the one at Kelowna but

2384
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:12,070
there was other two places where pieces

2385
01:41:15,630 --> 01:41:13,690
of the wreckage came down and bodies

2386
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:15,640
were found in Federation there's also a

2387
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:18,130
stack in Mexico and there's a book that

2388
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:19,570
supposedly it's gonna be out one of

2389
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,670
these years it's what we call a vapor

2390
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,400
where a book from scott ramsey and he's

2391
01:41:28,230 --> 01:41:26,560
been on the show he's a decent guy he's

2392
01:41:30,660 --> 01:41:28,240
sincere in his research he's working

2393
01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:30,670
with Frank Warren and other people the

2394
01:41:35,370 --> 01:41:32,590
question I have is though okay you have

2395
01:41:37,860 --> 01:41:35,380
the evidence get the book out let's see

2396
01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:37,870
what it contains let's evaluate it good

2397
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:41,200
bad or ugly mm-hmm and if this mother

2398
01:41:45,810 --> 01:41:43,690
comes out you know there's a disclosure

2399
01:41:48,750 --> 01:41:45,820
project these people they had this big

2400
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:48,760
to do in Washington where they carted

2401
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:50,230
out this celebrity they said you know

2402
01:41:55,260 --> 01:41:51,760
we've got we've got the goods on the

2403
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:55,270
government and nothing you know and they

2404
01:41:58,920 --> 01:41:57,010
just never come forward and produced

2405
01:42:01,050 --> 01:41:58,930
this stuff they say they have it they

2406
01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:01,060
know people who have it but they never

2407
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:03,790
really so your contention is Jeff that

2408
01:42:08,370 --> 01:42:05,650
there is no silence group that

2409
01:42:10,890 --> 01:42:08,380
regardless of the reality of UFOs or

2410
01:42:13,890 --> 01:42:10,900
lack thereof the government probably

2411
01:42:15,480 --> 01:42:13,900
doesn't know anything much about it and

2412
01:42:17,670 --> 01:42:15,490
they're not keeping anything a secret

2413
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:17,680
other than stuff that might reflect on

2414
01:42:21,810 --> 01:42:19,900
national security by and large that

2415
01:42:24,410 --> 01:42:21,820
would be my position yeah I do believe

2416
01:42:27,060 --> 01:42:24,420
that they probably knows some things

2417
01:42:29,460 --> 01:42:27,070
that they haven't released in terms of

2418
01:42:33,330 --> 01:42:29,470
maybe they've got Fallout gun camera

2419
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:33,340
footage stuff like that sure yeah you

2420
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:36,130
know NORAD Tracks you can also think

2421
01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:38,350
about this for a second that we may have

2422
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:40,840
caught it on certain types of satellites

2423
01:42:44,940 --> 01:42:43,330
that are top-secret in themselves and by

2424
01:42:47,130 --> 01:42:44,950
revealing this information we actually

2425
01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:47,140
deal the capabilities of these battle

2426
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:49,180
so that would be another reason one we

2427
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:51,970
may not be able to talk about stuff but

2428
01:42:57,210 --> 01:42:55,030
the military is is not particularly good

2429
01:42:59,460 --> 01:42:57,220
with keeping secrets any any more than

2430
01:43:01,440 --> 01:42:59,470
anyone elses there's people once they

2431
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:01,450
get out of the military there's nothing

2432
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:03,370
to prevent them from talking about what

2433
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:05,970
they what they saw what they experienced

2434
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:09,520
you know so it's very good security Oh

2435
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:11,890
sir security us I mean if you sign a

2436
01:43:17,460 --> 01:43:14,530
security of its for you know in

2437
01:43:19,110 --> 01:43:17,470
perpetuity unless otherwise was in verse

2438
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:19,120
if someone's very old it doesn't matter

2439
01:43:23,630 --> 01:43:20,890
whether they're gonna say I'm 85 years

2440
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:23,640
old go pick me up make my day

2441
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:26,530
sure absolutely there's there's a lot of

2442
01:43:32,130 --> 01:43:29,170
people who if they really knew something

2443
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:32,140
they're going to tell you in the

2444
01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:33,610
government probably not gonna do much

2445
01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:37,990
about it I though I worked on top-secret

2446
01:43:42,330 --> 01:43:40,390
projects with Lockheed Martin you know I

2447
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:42,340
don't talk about them but I think if I

2448
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:44,050
did I don't think anybody would come to

2449
01:43:47,580 --> 01:43:45,730
my door one day and they don't want a

2450
01:43:55,410 --> 01:43:47,590
chance to do you this is the power cast

2451
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:55,420
we let it all hang out top secret stuff

2452
01:43:59,580 --> 01:43:57,610
is boring okay there's not much really

2453
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,590
that's not interesting I don't even see

2454
01:44:07,170 --> 01:44:01,600
why it's secret half of it you know but

2455
01:44:07,890 --> 01:44:07,180
that's just me we almost got we are top

2456
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:07,900
secret stuff

2457
01:44:12,210 --> 01:44:09,850
this show is gonna be a secret if we

2458
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:12,220
don't do this break we have Jeff Danyluk

2459
01:44:16,860 --> 01:44:15,280
we start out with the 1897 airship

2460
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:16,870
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2461
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:19,570
UFOs a lot more to cover and you're

2462
01:44:26,150 --> 01:44:21,970
hearing gene and Chris because you must

2463
01:44:33,850 --> 01:44:26,160
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2464
01:44:40,030 --> 01:44:37,000
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2465
01:44:44,230 --> 01:44:40,040
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2466
01:44:45,850 --> 01:44:44,240
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2467
01:44:48,010 --> 01:44:45,860
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2468
01:44:50,410 --> 01:44:48,020
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2479
01:45:11,140 --> 01:45:09,050
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2480
01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:11,150
again that's juicy and live.com hi this

2481
01:45:14,260 --> 01:45:12,710
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

2482
01:45:15,940 --> 01:45:14,270
why banks stockbrokers investment

2483
01:45:18,010 --> 01:45:15,950
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

2484
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:18,020
they've been available since 1986 yet

2485
01:45:21,370 --> 01:45:19,610
the financial industry won't recognize

2486
01:45:23,110 --> 01:45:21,380
the value of gold for your attire man

2487
01:45:25,060 --> 01:45:23,120
gold has outperformed paper investments

2488
01:45:36,630 --> 01:45:25,070
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2489
01:45:44,930 --> 01:45:38,240
806-853-9949

2490
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:48,900
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2491
01:46:00,840 --> 01:45:53,760
standard of paranormal radio and now

2492
01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:00,850
here's Jane Steinberg I have no idea

2493
01:46:04,590 --> 01:46:02,350
what Chris is doing ladies and gentlemen

2494
01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:04,600
this one make it very clear I'm Jean

2495
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:06,580
Steinberg he's Chris O'Brien

2496
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:09,760
sounds like a TV show that was on many

2497
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:12,850
years ago I'm Dickens he's Fenster never

2498
01:46:17,310 --> 01:46:15,010
remember that comedy show all right

2499
01:46:19,229 --> 01:46:17,320
that's a little before our time this

2500
01:46:21,540 --> 01:46:19,239
before your time nothing is before my

2501
01:46:23,670 --> 01:46:21,550
time because I was here before the

2502
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:23,680
dinosaurs ruled the earth you know and

2503
01:46:31,410 --> 01:46:27,090
Terra Nova Geoff Danyluk author and

2504
01:46:34,260 --> 01:46:31,420
quote all around near do well why do you

2505
01:46:36,990 --> 01:46:34,270
call yourself an ear do well I do well

2506
01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:37,000
because I challenge the conventional

2507
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:39,190
wisdom on a lot of different areas

2508
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:42,489
whether it's paranormal whether its

2509
01:46:48,209 --> 01:46:46,330
spirituality religion and as a result

2510
01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:48,219
people find me sometimes controversial

2511
01:46:53,010 --> 01:46:51,190
okay I'll tell you what let's really

2512
01:46:55,860 --> 01:46:53,020
move in that direction here yeah okay so

2513
01:46:58,110 --> 01:46:55,870
Roswell you brought it up sure we take

2514
01:47:00,270 --> 01:46:58,120
Roswell toss it out you don't dig

2515
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:00,280
Roswell you don't think it yeah nothing

2516
01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:03,730
special about Roswell okay if you had to

2517
01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:07,300
give one or two UFO sightings that prove

2518
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:09,790
there's at least something weird going

2519
01:47:17,820 --> 01:47:10,510
on

2520
01:47:21,690 --> 01:47:17,830
the best documented UFO encounters it

2521
01:47:24,810 --> 01:47:21,700
happened over Belgium in 1991 and this

2522
01:47:28,290 --> 01:47:24,820
was a big triangular vehicle that was

2523
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:28,300
seen by many many people over a number

2524
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:29,890
of hours it was chased by a NATO

2525
01:47:35,700 --> 01:47:32,890
aircraft it was recorded on radar it was

2526
01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:35,710
recorded on the aircraft's radar and

2527
01:47:40,620 --> 01:47:37,800
every time they would get in position to

2528
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:40,630
observe it it would take off this one

2529
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:43,330
has so much information to support it

2530
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:45,760
that it's hard to imagine that this was

2531
01:47:49,979 --> 01:47:48,370
all just couple of pilots making a

2532
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:49,989
mistake and identified the

2533
01:47:56,130 --> 01:47:53,650
identification and to me that one is

2534
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:56,140
extraordinary in just the amount of

2535
01:47:59,060 --> 01:47:57,030
information

2536
01:48:01,310 --> 01:47:59,070
came within it and verifiable

2537
01:48:04,430 --> 01:48:01,320
information and all the way from power

2538
01:48:08,089 --> 01:48:04,440
tapes to aircraft transmissions and the

2539
01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:08,099
just the radar pane so to me that is the

2540
01:48:14,209 --> 01:48:11,340
best one out there my premise in my book

2541
01:48:17,060 --> 01:48:14,219
is that I do believe extraterrestrials

2542
01:48:20,029 --> 01:48:17,070
are watching us I think that they are in

2543
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:20,039
orbit even now and they're observing us

2544
01:48:23,959 --> 01:48:21,900
they're studying us the way we would

2545
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:23,969
study gorillas they're watching what

2546
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:26,250
what we do how we react to certain

2547
01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:28,050
things but I don't think they really

2548
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:30,030
intervene you don't go for the

2549
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:34,530
abductions met a gentleman who claims to

2550
01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:36,510
have been abducted a number of times you

2551
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:38,760
know I listen to historic intriguing but

2552
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:40,530
I'm still trying to figure out the logic

2553
01:48:45,470 --> 01:48:43,320
of doing it from an alien perspective

2554
01:48:47,359 --> 01:48:45,480
certainly they would have the technology

2555
01:48:49,729 --> 01:48:47,369
they just wanted to study us our

2556
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:49,739
physiology they could probably do it

2557
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,110
fairly easily they wanted to dissect a

2558
01:48:57,290 --> 01:48:54,719
human there's any number of people they

2559
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:57,300
could probably find in some slummy

2560
01:49:00,589 --> 01:48:59,340
somewhere that nobody would miss so I

2561
01:49:02,270 --> 01:49:00,599
don't really understand why they'd come

2562
01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:02,280
to somebody's house and drag them out

2563
01:49:05,450 --> 01:49:04,380
kicking and screaming and do all kinds

2564
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:05,460
of things to them and then just stick

2565
01:49:09,589 --> 01:49:07,110
them back in their bed today it just

2566
01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:09,599
doesn't make sense that they would do

2567
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,369
that level of interference some people

2568
01:49:15,470 --> 01:49:12,719
have claimed maybe it's a genetic

2569
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:15,480
experiments manipulations but I'm still

2570
01:49:19,580 --> 01:49:17,610
on the fence on that one it's just I

2571
01:49:21,740 --> 01:49:19,590
would need to see more evidence of that

2572
01:49:26,060 --> 01:49:21,750
so what's happening to these people well

2573
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,070
I think some of it is just a their

2574
01:49:32,029 --> 01:49:28,800
imagination waking dreams things like

2575
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:32,039
that there was a study done on Barney

2576
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:35,360
and Betty Hill for example that they

2577
01:49:41,149 --> 01:49:39,210
discovered that the characters that they

2578
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:41,159
described in their hypnosis sessions

2579
01:49:47,149 --> 01:49:44,010
were very close to some characters that

2580
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,159
were seen on a Outer Limits episode that

2581
01:49:51,950 --> 01:49:49,199
aired about the just a few months

2582
01:49:53,959 --> 01:49:51,960
previous to their experience so the

2583
01:49:56,930 --> 01:49:53,969
question is did they have a real

2584
01:49:58,100 --> 01:49:56,940
experience or were they influenced maybe

2585
01:50:00,250 --> 01:49:58,110
even subconsciously

2586
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:00,260
by this program that they had watched

2587
01:50:06,410 --> 01:50:04,320
and that just came out in that form like

2588
01:50:08,689 --> 01:50:06,420
I said I don't know I suppose it's

2589
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:08,699
possible that extraterrestrials are

2590
01:50:12,370 --> 01:50:10,610
abducting something

2591
01:50:14,890 --> 01:50:12,380
but I can't believe they're abducting

2592
01:50:16,660 --> 01:50:14,900
the many many hundreds of people who

2593
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:16,670
make these claims around the world seems

2594
01:50:21,070 --> 01:50:19,370
cozy a little bit it does it seems like

2595
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:21,080
a really bad way to do things

2596
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:22,760
and if you're really going to do this

2597
01:50:26,290 --> 01:50:24,530
and you would wipe the memory completely

2598
01:50:27,460 --> 01:50:26,300
they shouldn't be able to even recall it

2599
01:50:29,650 --> 01:50:27,470
and get noticed you'd think their

2600
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,660
technology would be better than that it

2601
01:50:34,090 --> 01:50:31,760
seems that the UFO knots or whatever

2602
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:34,100
they are always seem to have technology

2603
01:50:37,710 --> 01:50:35,690
that's just a couple of steps ahead of

2604
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:37,720
us of course it could be some kind of

2605
01:50:44,500 --> 01:50:40,810
general spiritual experience that people

2606
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:44,510
interpret in accordance with the current

2607
01:50:48,580 --> 01:50:45,970
society it's another one of these

2608
01:50:51,370 --> 01:50:48,590
paranormal mysteries that people have

2609
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,380
experiences and if there's steeped in ET

2610
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:53,360
that's what they see if they're steeped

2611
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:55,520
in leprechauns that's what they see yeah

2612
01:50:58,360 --> 01:50:56,690
that's actually an interesting theory

2613
01:51:01,240 --> 01:50:58,370
because back in the eighteen hundreds

2614
01:51:02,620 --> 01:51:01,250
people would talk about the these

2615
01:51:03,070 --> 01:51:02,630
preachers of a tomb in the middle of the

2616
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:03,080
night

2617
01:51:07,210 --> 01:51:05,210
the succubus and the Incubus and these a

2618
01:51:09,130 --> 01:51:07,220
little very similar kind of abduction

2619
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:09,140
story these people would be paralyzed

2620
01:51:13,210 --> 01:51:11,090
with fear in their bed and this demon

2621
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:13,220
thing would appear and that's how they

2622
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,040
interpret interpret supernatural

2623
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:18,080
quasi-religious sort of jargon whereas

2624
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:20,810
today we use more of extraterrestrial

2625
01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:23,090
jargon because that's where we're at so

2626
01:51:27,100 --> 01:51:24,710
you know there could be some

2627
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:27,110
psychological component to it but then

2628
01:51:30,610 --> 01:51:28,850
again I'm open to the possibility if

2629
01:51:32,020 --> 01:51:30,620
there's something really happening out

2630
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:32,030
there I just want to see more evidence

2631
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:33,770
and by the way ladies and gentlemen we

2632
01:51:38,620 --> 01:51:36,110
will have an abduction roundtable on the

2633
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:38,630
power cast in the near future abductees

2634
01:51:43,330 --> 01:51:41,030
researchers a lot more so we will go

2635
01:51:45,130 --> 01:51:43,340
into this ground and see what's going on

2636
01:51:47,950 --> 01:51:45,140
so as far as you're concerned the

2637
01:51:50,740 --> 01:51:47,960
abduction scenario is another issue

2638
01:51:52,750 --> 01:51:50,750
it's the UFOs that we have to deal with

2639
01:51:54,730 --> 01:51:52,760
now what about the alternate theories

2640
01:51:56,890 --> 01:51:54,740
about UFOs you think it's et maybe

2641
01:51:59,620 --> 01:51:56,900
they're orbiting us whatever what about

2642
01:52:02,620 --> 01:51:59,630
alternate dimensions what about UFOs

2643
01:52:04,690 --> 01:52:02,630
that are sourced on earth a hidden

2644
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,700
civilization what about that stuff well

2645
01:52:09,190 --> 01:52:07,040
let's imagine that there would be any

2646
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,200
place on earth where you could have that

2647
01:52:13,490 --> 01:52:10,880
kind of level of technology without

2648
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:13,500
being noticed I mean

2649
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:15,450
yeah UFOs being under the ocean and all

2650
01:52:18,830 --> 01:52:17,730
this kind of thing like this but and I

2651
01:52:22,490 --> 01:52:18,840
think that's something that needs to be

2652
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:22,500
considered however it does strike me as

2653
01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:25,710
being unnecessarily difficult you know

2654
01:52:30,230 --> 01:52:27,540
you think about it the spacecraft come

2655
01:52:31,790 --> 01:52:30,240
here what's the point of basing

2656
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:31,800
themselves under the water when they can

2657
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:35,130
just remain in orbit invisible to us all

2658
01:52:38,900 --> 01:52:37,050
the all they want so I mean what's the

2659
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:38,910
real payoff from coming down here into

2660
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:41,370
the water if it's a homegrown

2661
01:52:46,100 --> 01:52:44,280
civilization I mean my gosh is data be

2662
01:52:49,190 --> 01:52:46,110
some kind of evidence of it at some

2663
01:52:50,690 --> 01:52:49,200
point but up to now I mean they're

2664
01:52:52,820 --> 01:52:50,700
really good at hiding it there yes

2665
01:52:56,210 --> 01:52:52,830
they're there I don't know now as far as

2666
01:52:57,890 --> 01:52:56,220
alternate dimensions you know I mean

2667
01:53:00,230 --> 01:52:57,900
what do you do with that that's truly

2668
01:53:00,980 --> 01:53:00,240
speculative there's no way to prove it

2669
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:00,990
or disprove it

2670
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:03,690
so there's not really much value and

2671
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:05,250
exploring it because there's nothing you

2672
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:06,930
can do with it what about the pegboard

2673
01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:10,290
and who claimed to have met physical

2674
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:12,600
beings not just abductions but they

2675
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:14,370
claimed to have met some kind of alien

2676
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:16,650
being of one sort or another are they

2677
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:18,690
all making this up well I don't think

2678
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:20,040
there's a lot of people who are just

2679
01:53:23,630 --> 01:53:22,170
out-and-out hoaxing whether this thing

2680
01:53:25,310 --> 01:53:23,640
you know let's have some fun and make up

2681
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:25,320
their story because there are some

2682
01:53:29,090 --> 01:53:27,570
repercussions to doing that but I do

2683
01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:29,100
think that there are fantasy prone

2684
01:53:33,170 --> 01:53:30,900
personalities there are people who can

2685
01:53:35,090 --> 01:53:33,180
convince themselves of all kinds of

2686
01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:35,100
things and they get very worked up about

2687
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:38,550
it to to a person who's you know a

2688
01:53:43,670 --> 01:53:40,650
little paranoid these things are very

2689
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:43,680
very real to them you know and then

2690
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:45,840
they're not seeing this as a fantasy or

2691
01:53:51,260 --> 01:53:47,850
their imagination they're seeing this is

2692
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:51,270
a very real thing that's happening so I

2693
01:53:56,480 --> 01:53:54,930
think that a lot of these people you

2694
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:56,490
know god bless them but they probably

2695
01:54:01,160 --> 01:53:58,860
are are having some delusional

2696
01:54:03,890 --> 01:54:01,170
experiences not all of them perhaps

2697
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:03,900
there's some real some real valid things

2698
01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:06,810
going on there but again want to see the

2699
01:54:12,230 --> 01:54:09,060
evidence okay let's look at another

2700
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,240
possibility here what about some degree

2701
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:13,920
of government intervention

2702
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:16,110
you know they experiment with giving

2703
01:54:21,620 --> 01:54:18,930
people drugs in LSD maybe fake a few

2704
01:54:24,110 --> 01:54:21,630
abductions maybe create some that

2705
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:24,120
something that involves the perception

2706
01:54:29,250 --> 01:54:26,250
of UFOs with some secret aircraft

2707
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:29,260
okay the that's that's a possibility but

2708
01:54:33,570 --> 01:54:31,690
then again why what's the what's the

2709
01:54:37,590 --> 01:54:33,580
premise what's the payoff okay what was

2710
01:54:39,630 --> 01:54:37,600
it pay office LSD they did that I think

2711
01:54:42,690 --> 01:54:39,640
they wanted to see exactly how it was

2712
01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:42,700
going to affect you know reaction times

2713
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:44,230
how it's going to affect your mental

2714
01:54:47,490 --> 01:54:46,090
capacities the things are that they're

2715
01:54:50,190 --> 01:54:47,500
still very experimental once they

2716
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:50,200
understood how dangerous it was they

2717
01:54:54,660 --> 01:54:52,930
backed off on it but that early on their

2718
01:54:56,730 --> 01:54:54,670
ruin wasn't a lot of knowledge about

2719
01:54:58,680 --> 01:54:56,740
what these things did and they wanted to

2720
01:55:01,170 --> 01:54:58,690
see if and have any you know beneficial

2721
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effects government will do things like

2722
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that to its own detriment but in terms

2723
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of faking an alien abduction I just I

2724
01:55:14,910 --> 01:55:10,780
don't see that however there's another

2725
01:55:17,940 --> 01:55:14,920
possibility consider what if the aliens

2726
01:55:21,180 --> 01:55:17,950
themselves are inducing these

2727
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experiences as a psychological terror

2728
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what alien psychological experiments and

2729
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2730
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2731
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2760
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2761
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2762
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2764
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2834
02:00:22,230 --> 02:00:19,300
you think they're involved in pulling a

2835
02:00:27,060 --> 02:00:22,240
few tricks here to see how we primitive

2836
02:00:29,790 --> 02:00:27,070
tribal beings react like nomads I think

2837
02:00:32,010 --> 02:00:29,800
that think about the the crop circles

2838
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:32,020
when they first came out before people

2839
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:34,450
started chopping them and it would be

2840
02:00:39,540 --> 02:00:36,850
fairly easy for them to create something

2841
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:39,550
like that using electromagnetic energy

2842
02:00:43,740 --> 02:00:41,770
just create a crop circle and then sit

2843
02:00:46,350 --> 02:00:43,750
back and see what what are they going to

2844
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:46,360
do about it well it's fascinating we

2845
02:00:51,450 --> 02:00:48,910
copy and we have contests to see who can

2846
02:00:54,150 --> 02:00:51,460
make the best crop circles I think that

2847
02:00:55,830 --> 02:00:54,160
tells them a lot about us and so how

2848
02:00:58,260 --> 02:00:55,840
hard would it be to induce these

2849
02:01:00,570 --> 02:00:58,270
experiences even if it's not a real

2850
02:01:04,950 --> 02:01:00,580
experience it can all be completely done

2851
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:04,960
in the mind I read in my book on UFOs I

2852
02:01:09,540 --> 02:01:06,880
talked about a story of a woman in

2853
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:09,550
Australia who claimed to be a duck

2854
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:13,210
and she had a couple of gentlemen who

2855
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:15,850
were with a local UFO organization ride

2856
02:01:19,290 --> 02:01:18,070
with her to this point where she's this

2857
02:01:21,630 --> 02:01:19,300
place where she says she gets abducted

2858
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:21,640
while she was sitting there in the car

2859
02:01:25,110 --> 02:01:23,530
with them she started to recount this

2860
02:01:26,820 --> 02:01:25,120
whole abduction experience he was

2861
02:01:29,010 --> 02:01:26,830
telling them they're taking me they got

2862
02:01:30,750 --> 02:01:29,020
me in their ship they're doing this and

2863
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:30,760
doing that and these guys are sitting

2864
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:32,890
here watching her have this experience

2865
02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:34,930
she has to left the car nothing's going

2866
02:01:37,590 --> 02:01:35,350
on

2867
02:01:39,150 --> 02:01:37,600
but the her it was very realistic and I

2868
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:39,160
wonder if the aliens don't have this

2869
02:01:43,890 --> 02:01:41,110
ability to put these these things into

2870
02:01:45,420 --> 02:01:43,900
our brain a couple of select people just

2871
02:01:47,130 --> 02:01:45,430
to give them the experience of the

2872
02:01:49,290 --> 02:01:47,140
abduction just to see how they react to

2873
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:49,300
it it's it's an intriguing possibility

2874
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:51,970
that's creative thinking like that so

2875
02:01:55,260 --> 02:01:53,290
you know III think

2876
02:01:57,540 --> 02:01:55,270
the aliens they want you more just

2877
02:01:59,130 --> 02:01:57,550
observe it I also want to see what we do

2878
02:02:01,020 --> 02:01:59,140
in certain circumstances because I think

2879
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:01,030
they aren't prepping us eventually for

2880
02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:03,040
contact and in order to do that you

2881
02:02:07,260 --> 02:02:05,440
really need to know what we would do of

2882
02:02:09,930 --> 02:02:07,270
course it's a very slow preparation

2883
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:09,940
process isn't it it is it's it's a

2884
02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:11,410
lengthy process and they don't think

2885
02:02:13,980 --> 02:02:12,730
they're in any great hurry you know

2886
02:02:16,050 --> 02:02:13,990
these people have probably been out

2887
02:02:18,090 --> 02:02:16,060
there for hundreds of thousands of years

2888
02:02:20,790 --> 02:02:18,100
and they're gonna take their time there

2889
02:02:22,860 --> 02:02:20,800
may be also more than one group that are

2890
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:22,870
studying us some of them are still you

2891
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:24,370
know early on in their studies and

2892
02:02:27,810 --> 02:02:26,530
others have almost completed their

2893
02:02:29,850 --> 02:02:27,820
studies maybe they're it's not good at

2894
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:29,860
sharing information so you know it could

2895
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:31,360
be a lot of things like that happening

2896
02:02:37,710 --> 02:02:34,810
okay so we have the alien psychological

2897
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:37,720
experts trying to see what kind of stuff

2898
02:02:41,190 --> 02:02:38,770
they can do with the primitive

2899
02:02:43,500 --> 02:02:41,200
Earthlings and its partner may be of a

2900
02:02:46,110 --> 02:02:43,510
long-term plan but the other thing here

2901
02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:46,120
is how can all this go on and the

2902
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:48,850
government not recognize it I mean if

2903
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:51,040
UFOs are real don't you think there are

2904
02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:52,480
people within the government smart

2905
02:02:56,490 --> 02:02:54,310
enough to realize we've got a pretty

2906
02:02:58,920 --> 02:02:56,500
strange mystery going on here we've got

2907
02:03:01,290 --> 02:02:58,930
figured out what it is yeah maybe they

2908
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:01,300
have well you know that's possible but

2909
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:04,570
my impression of the government is that

2910
02:03:09,420 --> 02:03:06,610
you know it's got its plate full with

2911
02:03:11,540 --> 02:03:09,430
everyday things there's probably not

2912
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:11,550
putting a lot of a lot of mental energy

2913
02:03:17,220 --> 02:03:15,010
into aliens they're too busy the passing

2914
02:03:19,710 --> 02:03:17,230
bills that say In God We Trust which is

2915
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:19,720
already on the dollar bill precise but

2916
02:03:24,170 --> 02:03:21,010
doing stuff like that you know the

2917
02:03:27,830 --> 02:03:24,180
government if you really look at it is

2918
02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:27,840
literally you know incompetence and

2919
02:03:32,460 --> 02:03:30,370
which is why I don't really think it's

2920
02:03:34,290 --> 02:03:32,470
capable of holding those kinds of

2921
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:34,300
Secrets for long or figuring those

2922
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:36,570
things out it kind of follows the crowd

2923
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:38,170
if it's ever

2924
02:03:42,060 --> 02:03:40,960
I think it's addressed either contact us

2925
02:03:43,770 --> 02:03:42,070
they're not going to contact the

2926
02:03:47,310 --> 02:03:43,780
government they're probably going to

2927
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:47,320
contact some civilian scientific

2928
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:49,840
organization or something like that and

2929
02:03:54,090 --> 02:03:51,490
they're going to just bypass governments

2930
02:03:58,680 --> 02:03:54,100
completely and just go right straight to

2931
02:04:00,690 --> 02:03:58,690
the people who matter so wait a minute

2932
02:04:02,859 --> 02:04:00,700
are you talking they're gonna contact

2933
02:04:07,959 --> 02:04:02,869
Steven Greer

2934
02:04:10,629 --> 02:04:07,969
oh my god now I hope not well you know

2935
02:04:13,449 --> 02:04:10,639
you bring up a good point and you know

2936
02:04:16,119 --> 02:04:13,459
one of the things that I I go back and

2937
02:04:17,409 --> 02:04:16,129
forth with quite a bit is this idea of

2938
02:04:20,889 --> 02:04:17,419
how much does the government actually

2939
02:04:22,899 --> 02:04:20,899
know we had John Alexander Colonel John

2940
02:04:25,359 --> 02:04:22,909
Alexander on the show a couple of months

2941
02:04:28,869 --> 02:04:25,369
back and that's you know he said hey I

2942
02:04:32,219 --> 02:04:28,879
was an insider I tried my darndest I had

2943
02:04:35,739 --> 02:04:32,229
a good group of you know inquiring minds

2944
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:35,749
inside the Beast and we looked and

2945
02:04:39,399 --> 02:04:37,129
looked and looked and we really couldn't

2946
02:04:40,779 --> 02:04:39,409
find any sort of Clearing House any sort

2947
02:04:43,689 --> 02:04:40,789
of centralized point where this

2948
02:04:46,330 --> 02:04:43,699
information appeared to be you know held

2949
02:04:49,060 --> 02:04:46,340
secret that's not saying that it's not I

2950
02:04:53,500 --> 02:04:49,070
mean we're talking about an industrial

2951
02:04:55,929 --> 02:04:53,510
complex that on September 10th 2001

2952
02:04:57,759 --> 02:04:55,939
Donald Rumsfeld after doing you know a

2953
02:05:00,279 --> 02:04:57,769
complete audit of the Department of

2954
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:00,289
Defense says we're missing 2.2 trillion

2955
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:03,110
dollars that's a lot of dough and you

2956
02:05:07,029 --> 02:05:05,090
can do a lot of things with with that

2957
02:05:10,330 --> 02:05:07,039
dough and if there is some sort of

2958
02:05:14,319 --> 02:05:10,340
national security element to the whole

2959
02:05:18,699 --> 02:05:14,329
UFO question that's being kept on the Qt

2960
02:05:21,549 --> 02:05:18,709
shall we say you better believe and I

2961
02:05:23,619 --> 02:05:21,559
hope they're smart enough to marshal the

2962
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:23,629
resources and at least look at this

2963
02:05:28,419 --> 02:05:26,090
subject and monitor it very closely I

2964
02:05:30,459 --> 02:05:28,429
agree with you I think grain can file

2965
02:05:32,259 --> 02:05:30,469
the government doesn't know that it has

2966
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:32,269
a left hand and if it did it would

2967
02:05:36,429 --> 02:05:35,090
probably tattle huh but you know again

2968
02:05:39,369 --> 02:05:36,439
this whole idea of the government not

2969
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:39,379
being able to hold secrets that's not

2970
02:05:45,879 --> 02:05:44,090
necessarily so but hey I can be wrong it

2971
02:05:48,879 --> 02:05:45,889
like I said I flip-flop back and forth

2972
02:05:51,669 --> 02:05:48,889
on this one it also you're also assuming

2973
02:05:54,969 --> 02:05:51,679
that the extraterrestrials don't have

2974
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:54,979
the ability to really stay hidden you

2975
02:05:59,649 --> 02:05:58,010
know they they probably can be overhead

2976
02:06:01,359 --> 02:05:59,659
right now you'd never know it they can

2977
02:06:04,479 --> 02:06:01,369
bend light they know we already have

2978
02:06:06,250 --> 02:06:04,489
stealth technology there are hundreds of

2979
02:06:10,209 --> 02:06:06,260
years ahead of us they have a cloaking

2980
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:10,219
device well essentially a cloaking yeah

2981
02:06:14,349 --> 02:06:11,840
I mean it's not how difficult would it

2982
02:06:15,830 --> 02:06:14,359
be to bend light probably there are

2983
02:06:18,229 --> 02:06:15,840
technologies they're using

2984
02:06:19,820 --> 02:06:18,239
that we will eventually develop and we

2985
02:06:22,250 --> 02:06:19,830
will say well this is fairly simple now

2986
02:06:24,350 --> 02:06:22,260
we understand how how the stuff works

2987
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:24,360
I wonder why we didn't use it earlier it

2988
02:06:29,689 --> 02:06:27,570
just it seems so real so simple now and

2989
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:29,699
I saw magnetic steel it's gonna bend

2990
02:06:33,770 --> 02:06:32,880
light so I mean we know that already so

2991
02:06:36,140 --> 02:06:33,780
mm-hmm

2992
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:36,150
it's just a matter of bringing the thing

2993
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,650
is there's a lot of things we could do

2994
02:06:41,450 --> 02:06:39,119
that we just don't have the technology

2995
02:06:44,780 --> 02:06:41,460
to do it yet it just hasn't caught up to

2996
02:06:46,970 --> 02:06:44,790
our ideas you know we already understand

2997
02:06:49,129 --> 02:06:46,980
what travel to wormholes and things like

2998
02:06:51,050 --> 02:06:49,139
this but we just don't have you know

2999
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:51,060
warp engines and all that kind of stuff

3000
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:53,280
that'll lets us do it we're not likely

3001
02:06:58,510 --> 02:06:56,639
to for quite a while yet so we can't

3002
02:07:02,540 --> 02:06:58,520
harness harness the power of a star to

3003
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do you know do our will right exactly

3004
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:05,119
these people apparently can these

3005
02:07:09,950 --> 02:07:07,110
extraterrestrials have that ability in

3006
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:09,960
the paddock for a long time so I think

3007
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:12,000
that they're perfectly capable of

3008
02:07:17,300 --> 02:07:14,880
remaining hidden from us for as long as

3009
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:17,310
they want so when they do appear that

3010
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:19,610
may be part of their psychological

3011
02:07:27,229 --> 02:07:22,530
testing you know let's but show up and

3012
02:07:29,500 --> 02:07:27,239
see what they do what's the motivation

3013
02:07:32,689 --> 02:07:29,510
well if there's so far advanced of us

3014
02:07:35,149 --> 02:07:32,699
advanced beyond us aren't we kind of

3015
02:07:37,100 --> 02:07:35,159
like ants in an ant farm I mean what are

3016
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:37,110
we some science project for you know

3017
02:07:42,500 --> 02:07:39,810
some young alien somewhere maybe we're

3018
02:07:44,270 --> 02:07:42,510
part of some sort of software program

3019
02:07:46,399 --> 02:07:44,280
that's been developed by some you know

3020
02:07:48,740 --> 02:07:46,409
alien kid or or a kid in the fifteenth

3021
02:07:52,370 --> 02:07:48,750
dimension I mean my motivation my

3022
02:07:54,649 --> 02:07:52,380
suspicion is to get us used to the idea

3023
02:07:56,990 --> 02:07:54,659
of extraterrestrial so when they do

3024
02:07:59,660 --> 02:07:57,000
finally contact us there won't be that

3025
02:08:01,399 --> 02:07:59,670
show why would they say a thousand years

3026
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:01,409
doing it well the first couple of

3027
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thousand years I think that we were just

3028
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so primitive that there was really was

3029
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just a like studying ants in a bottle

3030
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but now that they know we're at the

3031
02:08:13,700 --> 02:08:12,000
point where we've developed back there

3032
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were gods they came down at two

3033
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Thunderbolts and said bow down before me

3034
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and give me your first meal before Saad

3035
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Eddin we're talking with Jeff Danyluk

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you like that huh you're talking to gene

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and Chris not Zod because you're in the

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this is heroes you do listen to the

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3140
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deal so the aliens are really called Zod

3141
02:13:01,709 --> 02:13:00,010
their new race of aliens called the Zod

3142
02:13:04,100 --> 02:13:01,719
I might as well write a contact story

3143
02:13:06,930 --> 02:13:04,110
about that we have Jeff Danyluk

3144
02:13:09,060 --> 02:13:06,940
presenting a very down-to-earth view

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about what the heck is going on out

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there with gene and Chris on the power

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cast

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so therefore the aliens can look at this

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in a long-range way they could arrive

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and see primitive Earthlings and maybe

3151
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it's not the same people we don't know

3152
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how long they live and they observe us

3153
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over the centuries and they decide well

3154
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now they seem to be developing a modicum

3155
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of intelligence let's play closer

3156
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attention maybe we should land or do

3157
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they have a prime directive well that's

3158
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a good possibility well consider the

3159
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possibility that there are multiple

3160
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races out there and that some of them

3161
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are protector races they actually say

3162
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look you can observe but don't touch and

3163
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they will enforce that think about it

3164
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what would we do when we develop extra

3165
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interstellar capabilities and we start

3166
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coming across these different

3167
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civilizations like in Star Trek I think

3168
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that we would do much like that we would

3169
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say okay these areas are open to study

3170
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but you cannot make contact wait a

3171
02:14:13,169 --> 02:14:11,199
minute technology remember the Star Trek

3172
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episode where they were observing the

3173
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planet and their cloaking device failed

3174
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and they they got caught with their

3175
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pants down and and they they seriously

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impacted the civilization that they were

3177
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studying because they inadvertently

3178
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because of a malfunction who revealed

3179
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their presents remember that episode

3180
02:14:38,209 --> 02:14:34,000
yeah interesting idea hopefully be a

3181
02:14:40,740 --> 02:14:38,219
little more confident than that you know

3182
02:14:44,419 --> 02:14:40,750
didn't bring down the craft at Roswell

3183
02:14:46,410 --> 02:14:44,429
is what here is what I'm hearing here

3184
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:46,420
crap I don't see why I would bring down

3185
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:47,840
Mars

3186
02:14:52,520 --> 02:14:50,159
well we have to assume that of course

3187
02:14:54,350 --> 02:14:52,530
the aliens are weird that's why we can

3188
02:14:56,839 --> 02:14:54,360
bring them down that's kind of dumb - I

3189
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don't accept that theory that they would

3190
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be so primitive that our radar could

3191
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bring them down you know I mean think

3192
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about it before you even came into orbit

3193
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:05,639
you probably already know a lot about us

3194
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you sent unmanned probes down here

3195
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you've tested the atmosphere you know

3196
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exactly what were what we're made of so

3197
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before they even approach us they've

3198
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already got a pretty good idea of what

3199
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what's going on down here so well if

3200
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that's the case Jeff then why do people

3201
02:15:28,370 --> 02:15:25,800
still report landed craft occupants

3202
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:28,380
coming out they walk around gathering

3203
02:15:33,199 --> 02:15:30,570
plants and soil like they've never seen

3204
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:33,209
it before what's up with that again that

3205
02:15:36,379 --> 02:15:34,800
comes the reliability of the stories you

3206
02:15:38,810 --> 02:15:36,389
know do you choose to believe them or

3207
02:15:40,850 --> 02:15:38,820
not I'm open to it but that's just a

3208
02:15:44,449 --> 02:15:40,860
story you know so I can't you can't make

3209
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:44,459
any sort of a premise based on just a

3210
02:15:48,949 --> 02:15:46,639
story like that you have to have more

3211
02:15:50,929 --> 02:15:48,959
there are stories that do have some

3212
02:15:52,549 --> 02:15:50,939
physical evidence there's you know some

3213
02:15:55,100 --> 02:15:52,559
pretty compelling cases that would

3214
02:15:58,159 --> 02:15:55,110
suggest they have some sort of weird

3215
02:16:00,649 --> 02:15:58,169
collective amnesia they forgot that they

3216
02:16:03,739 --> 02:16:00,659
already came down and did you know

3217
02:16:06,140 --> 02:16:03,749
standard procedures I mean it's obvious

3218
02:16:09,859 --> 02:16:06,150
with the abduction phenomenon I mean how

3219
02:16:12,109 --> 02:16:09,869
many times you need to you know sexually

3220
02:16:14,179 --> 02:16:12,119
abuse somebody with machinery to to

3221
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:14,189
understand you know what it is that

3222
02:16:19,850 --> 02:16:16,729
you're looking for for instance so

3223
02:16:22,429 --> 02:16:19,860
there's there's an absurdity factor that

3224
02:16:24,589 --> 02:16:22,439
there is you know sort of in Irwin

3225
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:24,599
throughout all a lot of accounts and

3226
02:16:29,179 --> 02:16:27,119
very credible accounts as well I'm just

3227
02:16:31,759 --> 02:16:29,189
wondering we again my question from

3228
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:31,769
before what would be the motivation well

3229
02:16:36,679 --> 02:16:34,410
if we're talking multiple races there

3230
02:16:39,139 --> 02:16:36,689
could be races that are late to the show

3231
02:16:40,969 --> 02:16:39,149
and maybe they you know they have it

3232
02:16:43,820 --> 02:16:40,979
that you know the races are probably so

3233
02:16:46,219 --> 02:16:43,830
so different from one another that they

3234
02:16:48,049 --> 02:16:46,229
may not even be able even capable of

3235
02:16:49,189 --> 02:16:48,059
sharing information you know they can

3236
02:16:51,709 --> 02:16:49,199
have certain you know just not be able

3237
02:16:53,229 --> 02:16:51,719
to communicate on any level so they

3238
02:16:55,459 --> 02:16:53,239
would have to do their own

3239
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:55,469
investigations so I mean that's that's

3240
02:16:59,240 --> 02:16:57,840
another possibility there you can

3241
02:17:00,980 --> 02:16:59,250
speculate all night on what they're

3242
02:17:03,050 --> 02:17:00,990
doing and why they do it

3243
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:03,060
but again you'd this speculation you

3244
02:17:06,190 --> 02:17:04,770
can't really go anywhere with it so

3245
02:17:09,800 --> 02:17:06,200
there's no reason to assume that

3246
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:09,810
basically there's one club of ETS one

3247
02:17:14,060 --> 02:17:11,610
Federation that comes down here and they

3248
02:17:15,290 --> 02:17:14,070
talk to each other I don't think so I

3249
02:17:17,330 --> 02:17:15,300
mean some of them may be able to

3250
02:17:20,720 --> 02:17:17,340
communicate amongst themselves but the

3251
02:17:24,290 --> 02:17:20,730
galaxy is so vast you could have a huge

3252
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:24,300
stellar Empire and not ever encounter

3253
02:17:29,540 --> 02:17:27,120
another sentient life-form you know for

3254
02:17:31,370 --> 02:17:29,550
hundreds and thousands of light-years in

3255
02:17:33,580 --> 02:17:31,380
any direction maybe they're fairly rare

3256
02:17:36,890 --> 02:17:33,590
maybe there's not more than a dozen

3257
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:36,900
sentient star bearing races out there so

3258
02:17:41,930 --> 02:17:39,090
who knows you know there's we know

3259
02:17:43,850 --> 02:17:41,940
nothing about our own galaxy we're just

3260
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:43,860
beginning to scratch the surface we just

3261
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:45,330
discovered that there's other planets

3262
02:17:50,810 --> 02:17:47,850
for heaven sakes breathing on the tip of

3263
02:17:53,210 --> 02:17:50,820
the iceberg at this point but one thing

3264
02:17:55,610 --> 02:17:53,220
that you know has always has always sort

3265
02:17:59,120 --> 02:17:55,620
of made me scratch my head about this

3266
02:18:01,100 --> 02:17:59,130
whole thing is you know why do we as

3267
02:18:03,950 --> 02:18:01,110
humans think we're important enough for

3268
02:18:07,100 --> 02:18:03,960
anything out there to be remotely

3269
02:18:11,360 --> 02:18:07,110
interested in in us we're violent we're

3270
02:18:14,930 --> 02:18:11,370
primitive we're misogynist we have very

3271
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:14,940
aggressive tendencies to the detriment

3272
02:18:18,950 --> 02:18:16,080
of our fellow humans

3273
02:18:21,560 --> 02:18:18,960
we're very provincial and nationalistic

3274
02:18:24,350 --> 02:18:21,570
and tribal why would something be

3275
02:18:26,930 --> 02:18:24,360
interested in an unevolved species like

3276
02:18:29,810 --> 02:18:26,940
us my assumption is that they were once

3277
02:18:31,850 --> 02:18:29,820
that way themselves you know if we were

3278
02:18:34,670 --> 02:18:31,860
to travel about the Stars and we came

3279
02:18:37,850 --> 02:18:34,680
across a civilization comparable to our

3280
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:37,860
own even though we're so much further

3281
02:18:41,690 --> 02:18:39,930
advanced than that we would still find

3282
02:18:44,540 --> 02:18:41,700
it a source of fascination we would

3283
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:44,550
still want to see how they develop if

3284
02:18:48,350 --> 02:18:46,080
their development is parallel to our own

3285
02:18:50,060 --> 02:18:48,360
did they develop the same way we did did

3286
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:50,070
they move in a different direction do

3287
02:18:55,790 --> 02:18:52,080
they their warlike tendencies eventually

3288
02:18:57,680 --> 02:18:55,800
go away people are constantly studying

3289
02:18:59,450 --> 02:18:57,690
insects they're studying ants are

3290
02:19:01,310 --> 02:18:59,460
fascinated with these creatures of the

3291
02:19:03,260 --> 02:19:01,320
earth so I can't imagine that any

3292
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:03,270
extraterrestrial I had any degree of

3293
02:19:07,940 --> 02:19:05,280
curiosity at all but they may also be a

3294
02:19:10,430 --> 02:19:07,950
point here where civilizations reach a

3295
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:10,440
certain critical point at which they can

3296
02:19:14,390 --> 02:19:12,450
go either of two ways one destroy the

3297
02:19:18,350 --> 02:19:14,400
civilization to move

3298
02:19:21,430 --> 02:19:18,360
on and maybe we're at that crux now they

3299
02:19:23,570 --> 02:19:21,440
look at the cause of our development and

3300
02:19:26,270 --> 02:19:23,580
maybe they're deciding if they should

3301
02:19:29,630 --> 02:19:26,280
interfere and guide us send Michael

3302
02:19:32,541 --> 02:19:29,640
Rennie Klaatu down to visit us with Gore

3303
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:32,551
to destroy everybody or just leave us

3304
02:19:38,390 --> 02:19:35,850
alone who knows well you know we tend to

3305
02:19:40,130 --> 02:19:38,400
think that the destruction would be the

3306
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:40,140
end of everything but new to us

3307
02:19:44,210 --> 02:19:41,850
we won't be just one of many different

3308
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:44,220
cultures if we destroy ourselves I just

3309
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:46,290
make note of that in the log and move on

3310
02:19:50,211 --> 02:19:49,200
to the next group you know so we have

3311
02:19:56,091 --> 02:19:50,221
attempted to think that they're gonna

3312
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:56,101
save us well you're the one that said

3313
02:19:58,791 --> 02:19:57,450
that they're gonna come down and reveal

3314
02:20:01,310 --> 02:19:58,801
themselves I don't think that's ever

3315
02:20:04,700 --> 02:20:01,320
gonna happen Jeff myself definitely none

3316
02:20:06,081 --> 02:20:04,710
of my lifetime I suspect that you're

3317
02:20:08,180 --> 02:20:06,091
right probably not in our lifetime but

3318
02:20:09,650 --> 02:20:08,190
consider that at some point we're

3319
02:20:11,660 --> 02:20:09,660
probably going to begin to develop

3320
02:20:14,081 --> 02:20:11,670
interstellar capabilities and at some

3321
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:14,091
point they're gonna need to to let them

3322
02:20:23,001 --> 02:20:18,570
even not if it's up to Obama why are we

3323
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:23,011
talking about future there's a Zefram

3324
02:20:27,020 --> 02:20:25,200
Cochrane out there who's going to

3325
02:20:29,690 --> 02:20:27,030
develop stardrive like in the Star Trek

3326
02:20:32,810 --> 02:20:29,700
universe sometime in the middle of the

3327
02:20:34,551 --> 02:20:32,820
21st century after the entire planet has

3328
02:20:37,671 --> 02:20:34,561
nearly destroyed itself

3329
02:20:40,100 --> 02:20:37,681
God knows prophetic science fiction has

3330
02:20:42,020 --> 02:20:40,110
always been prophetic hasn't it you know

3331
02:20:44,030 --> 02:20:42,030
if you look at the science fiction of

3332
02:20:47,331 --> 02:20:44,040
the 19th century so much of its come

3333
02:20:50,180 --> 02:20:47,341
true in this century and it's almost as

3334
02:20:52,430 --> 02:20:50,190
though God has given a science fiction

3335
02:20:53,961 --> 02:20:52,440
to sort of reveal a little bit about the

3336
02:20:55,730 --> 02:20:53,971
future and they're not getting it from

3337
02:20:57,461 --> 02:20:55,740
ET we're just coming up with it

3338
02:21:02,001 --> 02:20:57,471
ourselves

3339
02:21:03,921 --> 02:21:02,011
it's built into our genius or just don't

3340
02:21:07,570 --> 02:21:03,931
real okay so let's look at the other end

3341
02:21:10,940 --> 02:21:07,580
of it here do you think et ceded us or

3342
02:21:12,921 --> 02:21:10,950
manipulated us in one way or another no

3343
02:21:15,381 --> 02:21:12,931
because that would destroy the whole

3344
02:21:17,961 --> 02:21:15,391
point of the experiment if you're going

3345
02:21:19,761 --> 02:21:17,971
to manipulate it then you have you're

3346
02:21:23,930 --> 02:21:19,771
not gonna learn okay but even if they

3347
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:23,940
see it us beginning okay or they did

3348
02:21:27,270 --> 02:21:26,250
some genetic manipulation then they sit

3349
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:27,280
back and let's see

3350
02:21:32,190 --> 02:21:30,250
this experiment does yo-yo maybe we're

3351
02:21:36,390 --> 02:21:32,200
just we're just the experiment inside a

3352
02:21:39,180 --> 02:21:36,400
petri dish and we're just a cell in

3353
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God's fingernail yeah look at the movie

3354
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:40,780
Men in Black where they had an entire

3355
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galaxy in a little bit of a jewel case

3356
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that's hanging from somebody was it was

3357
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a well that too but I the one I liked

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was the the bus station locker you know

3359
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all hail who was a que oh ok all the

3360
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little little creatures inside the the

3361
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locker and the bus station or the

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and yes even a healthy sex drive right

3465
02:26:13,640 --> 02:26:11,341
now you can try Ageless Male risk-free

3466
02:26:15,621 --> 02:26:13,650
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3467
02:26:17,691 --> 02:26:15,631
man who's noticed changes in your body

3468
02:26:20,001 --> 02:26:17,701
your mood your sex life

3469
02:26:22,941 --> 02:26:20,011
call now for a risk-free trial of

3470
02:26:25,371 --> 02:26:22,951
Ageless Male be the guy you used to be

3471
02:26:27,921 --> 02:26:25,381
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3472
02:26:30,531 --> 02:26:27,931
six zero six two three don't wait

3473
02:26:32,781 --> 02:26:30,541
another day just call one eight eight

3474
02:26:35,541 --> 02:26:32,791
eight two four six zero six two three

3475
02:26:42,010 --> 02:26:35,551
again one eight eight eight two four six

3476
02:26:47,870 --> 02:26:45,170
hi this is Clifford Cliff international

3477
02:26:50,510 --> 02:26:47,880
director for the mutual UFO network you

3478
02:26:56,990 --> 02:26:50,520
are listening to the parrot after the

3479
02:26:59,630 --> 02:26:57,000
gold standard a paranormal radio so

3480
02:27:01,430 --> 02:26:59,640
we're just tiny crazy creatures and

3481
02:27:02,420 --> 02:27:01,440
we're trying to figure out what the

3482
02:27:05,690 --> 02:27:02,430
heck's going on

3483
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:05,700
what's your tails paramecium Jean oh we

3484
02:27:14,510 --> 02:27:11,280
are speak for yourself speaking for all

3485
02:27:16,730 --> 02:27:14,520
of us well I mean there's a lot of

3486
02:27:18,290 --> 02:27:16,740
possibilities out there and you know we

3487
02:27:23,570 --> 02:27:18,300
couldn't talk about them all you want

3488
02:27:25,550 --> 02:27:23,580
but the bottom line I think is that this

3489
02:27:27,530 --> 02:27:25,560
is a very big universe and I think that

3490
02:27:29,660 --> 02:27:27,540
there is a lot more going on than we

3491
02:27:31,250 --> 02:27:29,670
imagined just like there's a lot more

3492
02:27:33,650 --> 02:27:31,260
going on in the ocean than we can see

3493
02:27:35,570 --> 02:27:33,660
from the surface once you get under the

3494
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:35,580
water you'll start seeing all kinds of

3495
02:27:39,050 --> 02:27:37,290
things happening and and I think it's

3496
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:39,060
the same way with extraterrestrials

3497
02:27:43,490 --> 02:27:41,040
there's a there's a lot of stuff

3498
02:27:46,610 --> 02:27:43,500
happening we don't know about it and we

3499
02:27:48,290 --> 02:27:46,620
may not in in this lifetime but

3500
02:27:50,180 --> 02:27:48,300
eventually I think that we're going to

3501
02:27:53,720 --> 02:27:50,190
come aware of it and start figuring

3502
02:27:55,730 --> 02:27:53,730
things out so you don't think that all

3503
02:27:57,550 --> 02:27:55,740
these freedom of information documents

3504
02:28:01,160 --> 02:27:57,560
released around the world will ever

3505
02:28:02,690 --> 02:28:01,170
reveal anything of significance no

3506
02:28:04,430 --> 02:28:02,700
because if there was anything of a

3507
02:28:07,820 --> 02:28:04,440
significance in them you you wouldn't

3508
02:28:10,370 --> 02:28:07,830
commit it to paper you would never write

3509
02:28:12,650 --> 02:28:10,380
that down it could be anything you know

3510
02:28:15,710 --> 02:28:12,660
somewhere but then everybody can hack

3511
02:28:17,720 --> 02:28:15,720
the computers oh yeah I'm you can also

3512
02:28:19,490 --> 02:28:17,730
delete everything off your computer -

3513
02:28:21,980 --> 02:28:19,500
you know the thing is is that if you're

3514
02:28:23,270 --> 02:28:21,990
really dealing with extraterrestrials

3515
02:28:26,600 --> 02:28:23,280
you're not gonna keep a paper record of

3516
02:28:32,770 --> 02:28:26,610
it that somebody can you know get from

3517
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:32,780
the library that's a John abyss is

3518
02:28:38,210 --> 02:28:35,850
producing documentation and records and

3519
02:28:40,610 --> 02:28:38,220
stuff so you know chances are there is

3520
02:28:42,920 --> 02:28:40,620
some record of something somewhere I

3521
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:42,930
want to see the gun camera footage I

3522
02:28:48,980 --> 02:28:45,090
want to see the satellite tracking logs

3523
02:28:52,250 --> 02:28:48,990
the stuff that you know with without

3524
02:28:53,269 --> 02:28:52,260
even a moment's hesitation I would say

3525
02:28:57,380 --> 02:28:53,279
that there is

3526
02:29:00,679 --> 02:28:57,390
incredible visual evidence footage that

3527
02:29:03,139 --> 02:29:00,689
the military has and probably I would

3528
02:29:05,929 --> 02:29:03,149
say in association with the military the

3529
02:29:07,550 --> 02:29:05,939
you know the aerospace companies and you

3530
02:29:10,579 --> 02:29:07,560
know that their satellite tracking data

3531
02:29:13,939 --> 02:29:10,589
and and really good quality stuff there

3532
02:29:17,989 --> 02:29:13,949
these guys have been watching with very

3533
02:29:20,269 --> 02:29:17,999
very evolved toys for several decades at

3534
02:29:22,789 --> 02:29:20,279
the least so we know that there's at

3535
02:29:25,369 --> 02:29:22,799
least that body of evidence there who's

3536
02:29:29,170 --> 02:29:25,379
who's in charge of it have you done any

3537
02:29:32,779 --> 02:29:29,180
digging into who is you know potentially

3538
02:29:34,250 --> 02:29:32,789
monitoring all this activity with within

3539
02:29:36,619 --> 02:29:34,260
the government I mean have you have you

3540
02:29:38,840 --> 02:29:36,629
looked at that at all honestly no

3541
02:29:41,329 --> 02:29:38,850
because I really don't believe that

3542
02:29:43,699 --> 02:29:41,339
there is all that much information out

3543
02:29:45,559 --> 02:29:43,709
there I do I think there's probably some

3544
02:29:48,289 --> 02:29:45,569
interesting stuff out there but again I

3545
02:29:50,929 --> 02:29:48,299
go back to my premise well Jeff sorry to

3546
02:29:52,969 --> 02:29:50,939
interrupt hold on one second I I dear

3547
02:29:55,250 --> 02:29:52,979
friend of mine was involved in the

3548
02:29:57,229 --> 02:29:55,260
optics programs for practically every

3549
02:30:00,050 --> 02:29:57,239
project we had from Apollo until the

3550
02:30:02,239 --> 02:30:00,060
early 90s he told me he thought that

3551
02:30:05,269 --> 02:30:02,249
every pretty much every system that's

3552
02:30:08,840 --> 02:30:05,279
been developed from 99 forward has that

3553
02:30:13,029 --> 02:30:08,850
function as one of its main functions is

3554
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:13,039
monitoring the airspace the interstellar

3555
02:30:18,670 --> 02:30:15,600
you know interplanetary airspace around

3556
02:30:22,159 --> 02:30:18,680
this planet and in tracking these these

3557
02:30:25,399 --> 02:30:22,169
objects so you know I think there is

3558
02:30:27,829 --> 02:30:25,409
there is you know there is some element

3559
02:30:31,039 --> 02:30:27,839
of the control structure that is

3560
02:30:33,260 --> 02:30:31,049
monitoring all this stuff that you yeah

3561
02:30:35,809 --> 02:30:33,270
I don't doubt it well again we're going

3562
02:30:37,639 --> 02:30:35,819
back to the question of how how capable

3563
02:30:39,800 --> 02:30:37,649
are these ETS are keeping it a secret

3564
02:30:41,869 --> 02:30:39,810
how I'm keeping yourself eating I

3565
02:30:45,289 --> 02:30:41,879
doesn't matter how advanced our

3566
02:30:48,139 --> 02:30:45,299
technology is and and how you know from

3567
02:30:49,849 --> 02:30:48,149
our perspective it it's very advanced

3568
02:30:52,130 --> 02:30:49,859
when there is very primitive so wouldn't

3569
02:30:56,090 --> 02:30:52,140
that mean also that they could maybe

3570
02:30:58,219 --> 02:30:56,100
send Holograms of their crafts that we

3571
02:30:59,750 --> 02:30:58,229
look at the spaceship here look at the

3572
02:31:00,889 --> 02:30:59,760
spaceship out there you're doing

3573
02:31:03,590 --> 02:31:00,899
something somewhere else

3574
02:31:05,569 --> 02:31:03,600
mm-hmm that's entirely possible I'm

3575
02:31:06,679 --> 02:31:05,579
saying you really like children dealing

3576
02:31:08,479 --> 02:31:06,689
with adults

3577
02:31:10,519 --> 02:31:08,489
we think we've got the coolest toys in

3578
02:31:12,469 --> 02:31:10,529
the world and they just laugh at it and

3579
02:31:14,809 --> 02:31:12,479
say this is just primitive stuff we had

3580
02:31:17,059 --> 02:31:14,819
this stuff 500 years ago you guys are

3581
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:17,069
starting you think it's so advanced you

3582
02:31:21,349 --> 02:31:19,920
know they're they can hide from us

3583
02:31:24,380 --> 02:31:21,359
anytime they want to and we're never

3584
02:31:25,880 --> 02:31:24,390
gonna find them point well-taken

3585
02:31:27,679 --> 02:31:25,890
so that's why I really don't think

3586
02:31:29,750 --> 02:31:27,689
there's a lot out there that we don't

3587
02:31:31,160 --> 02:31:29,760
know about if there was somebody who

3588
02:31:33,679 --> 02:31:31,170
knew something eventually they don't

3589
02:31:37,489 --> 02:31:33,689
tell us because that's human nature is

3590
02:31:39,469 --> 02:31:37,499
to reveal what we know what we could do

3591
02:31:42,410 --> 02:31:39,479
it so aren't we considering here that

3592
02:31:44,750 --> 02:31:42,420
maybe the UFO researchers some of them

3593
02:31:46,609 --> 02:31:44,760
are being a little too egotistical to

3594
02:31:48,699 --> 02:31:46,619
think they can understand the motives of

3595
02:31:52,519 --> 02:31:48,709
this alien race

3596
02:31:54,319 --> 02:31:52,529
that's a possibility you know you can

3597
02:31:57,279 --> 02:31:54,329
guess all you want what they're doing

3598
02:32:01,099 --> 02:31:57,289
and but just remember it's all guessing

3599
02:32:03,019 --> 02:32:01,109
we don't know because you know we're

3600
02:32:06,949 --> 02:32:03,029
dealing with an intellect here which is

3601
02:32:09,679 --> 02:32:06,959
so far beyond our own that you know it's

3602
02:32:11,960 --> 02:32:09,689
like carrying you know children against

3603
02:32:15,380 --> 02:32:11,970
against college professors there's no

3604
02:32:17,210 --> 02:32:15,390
match well one thing that I do know and

3605
02:32:18,380 --> 02:32:17,220
I'm sure you'll probably agree with me

3606
02:32:22,120 --> 02:32:18,390
here I know gene whoa

3607
02:32:26,630 --> 02:32:22,130
is that we have not one shred of

3608
02:32:31,219 --> 02:32:26,640
unequivocal data that would even suggest

3609
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:31,229
a I don't know prove I think would be

3610
02:32:37,160 --> 02:32:33,810
the best word the existence of an

3611
02:32:39,649 --> 02:32:37,170
intelligent extraterrestrial life-form I

3612
02:32:42,050 --> 02:32:39,659
mean we have not one shred of evidence

3613
02:32:44,210 --> 02:32:42,060
correct me if I'm wrong no that's true

3614
02:32:46,099 --> 02:32:44,220
nothing that's empirical that you can

3615
02:32:48,949 --> 02:32:46,109
anybody can look at and say absolutely

3616
02:32:51,170 --> 02:32:48,959
that's what it is and that's my design

3617
02:32:53,449 --> 02:32:51,180
you know if they want us to know about

3618
02:32:55,729 --> 02:32:53,459
them they'll reveal them themselves to

3619
02:32:57,170 --> 02:32:55,739
us and if they don't we're not going to

3620
02:32:59,389 --> 02:32:57,180
find your stuff we're not gonna they're

3621
02:33:01,279 --> 02:32:59,399
not gonna crash in Roswell and we're

3622
02:33:02,359 --> 02:33:01,289
gonna cover it and reverse-engineer it

3623
02:33:04,790 --> 02:33:02,369
and they're just gonna sit back and

3624
02:33:07,160 --> 02:33:04,800
watch us you know that's not doesn't

3625
02:33:10,460 --> 02:33:07,170
make sense logically that they would do

3626
02:33:13,880 --> 02:33:10,470
stuff like that and and so that's why so

3627
02:33:16,460 --> 02:33:13,890
much of the UFO stuff out there I think

3628
02:33:18,620 --> 02:33:16,470
it's bogus it's it's made up it's

3629
02:33:20,269 --> 02:33:18,630
sensationalized it may be well-meaning

3630
02:33:23,179 --> 02:33:20,279
it might be quite sincere

3631
02:33:26,840 --> 02:33:23,189
but a lot of it is really just a fantasy

3632
02:33:28,699 --> 02:33:26,850
that we've created until the truth

3633
02:33:31,159 --> 02:33:28,709
really does eventually one day hit us in

3634
02:33:32,479 --> 02:33:31,169
the face and we have to confront and the

3635
02:33:35,809 --> 02:33:32,489
question would be then whether that

3636
02:33:38,179 --> 02:33:35,819
truth that we fantasize is of our own

3637
02:33:40,029 --> 02:33:38,189
invention or we're being fed a little

3638
02:33:42,439 --> 02:33:40,039
bit from someone or other

3639
02:33:45,979 --> 02:33:42,449
yeah we can have a little bit of both it

3640
02:33:49,010 --> 02:33:45,989
might be kind of a what's the word kind

3641
02:33:52,699 --> 02:33:49,020
of pulling our chain okay so then the

3642
02:33:55,010 --> 02:33:52,709
other question yank yank do we sit back

3643
02:33:57,500 --> 02:33:55,020
and take it is there nothing we can do

3644
02:33:59,029 --> 02:33:57,510
but just observe and hope that we'll

3645
02:34:02,170 --> 02:33:59,039
figure something out before it's too

3646
02:34:08,869 --> 02:34:05,840
there's nothing we can do in any real

3647
02:34:11,389 --> 02:34:08,879
sense of you know listening there their

3648
02:34:15,050 --> 02:34:11,399
attention I think the only thing we can

3649
02:34:17,329 --> 02:34:15,060
really do is be aware of the fact that

3650
02:34:20,029 --> 02:34:17,339
this is a very big universe and I think

3651
02:34:22,819 --> 02:34:20,039
we share with a lot of people and just

3652
02:34:25,069 --> 02:34:22,829
to try to understand these things well I

3653
02:34:28,130 --> 02:34:25,079
think I don't understand is why people

3654
02:34:31,189 --> 02:34:28,140
say there are no UFOs there are no

3655
02:34:33,979 --> 02:34:31,199
aliens you know to me that's such a

3656
02:34:35,329 --> 02:34:33,989
statement that can't be supported any

3657
02:34:37,130 --> 02:34:35,339
more than the statement that there are

3658
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:37,140
can be supported you'd have to be open

3659
02:34:41,029 --> 02:34:38,399
to these things and that's really really

3660
02:34:42,859 --> 02:34:41,039
to grow and learn from it so how do you

3661
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:42,869
grow and learn where do you go from here

3662
02:34:46,719 --> 02:34:45,449
having written these books been around

3663
02:34:49,819 --> 02:34:46,729
and for so long

3664
02:34:51,380 --> 02:34:49,829
well I don't really know where I got

3665
02:34:53,119 --> 02:34:51,390
that's an interesting question I hadn't

3666
02:34:57,319 --> 02:34:53,129
thought about where to go next from here

3667
02:35:00,619 --> 02:34:57,329
I just I I think what I had come away

3668
02:35:03,800 --> 02:35:00,629
from this with though is a appreciation

3669
02:35:05,899 --> 02:35:03,810
for how vast the universe is and how

3670
02:35:08,389 --> 02:35:05,909
everything is really related to each

3671
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:08,399
other and we're all part of this great

3672
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:11,369
cosmic experiment that stretches across

3673
02:35:17,779 --> 02:35:14,640
billions of light-years and as I

3674
02:35:19,699 --> 02:35:17,789
understand that I kind of take a comfort

3675
02:35:21,260 --> 02:35:19,709
in that just knowing that you know we're

3676
02:35:23,630 --> 02:35:21,270
not really alone there's a lot of things

3677
02:35:25,639 --> 02:35:23,640
going on out there and I don't need to

3678
02:35:28,250 --> 02:35:25,649
know about all of them I just need to be

3679
02:35:30,559 --> 02:35:28,260
aware of where I'm at in my stage of

3680
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:30,569
development and and he what plays out

3681
02:35:33,260 --> 02:35:32,640
I'll tell you what let's play this out

3682
02:35:35,019 --> 02:35:33,270
where do

3683
02:35:38,170 --> 02:35:35,029
our listeners find more of what you do

3684
02:35:45,170 --> 02:35:38,180
well they go to my website at

3685
02:35:47,569 --> 02:35:45,180
www.archives.gov/calendar but they can

3686
02:35:49,460 --> 02:35:47,579
send me a comment or a question or

3687
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:49,470
photograph or whatever they want to do

3688
02:35:54,979 --> 02:35:52,319
and I always responded if they're not do

3689
02:35:57,380 --> 02:35:54,989
you mean okay speaking of not being me

3690
02:35:59,420 --> 02:35:57,390
our curious world I like that it kind of

3691
02:36:02,420 --> 02:35:59,430
reminds me of our strange planning of

3692
02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:02,430
which there's a site called our strange

3693
02:36:06,229 --> 02:36:03,449
planet calm

3694
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:06,239
tell us about it Chris well like Jeff

3695
02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:08,880
site there's a lot of interesting stuff

3696
02:36:14,540 --> 02:36:11,850
including you know how to get my books

3697
02:36:17,479 --> 02:36:14,550
and etc but you know I do lurk about

3698
02:36:20,540 --> 02:36:17,489
form dr. Perik asked calm and we invite

3699
02:36:23,779 --> 02:36:20,550
Jeff to come on and and interact with

3700
02:36:25,069 --> 02:36:23,789
some of our forum posters I'm sure we're

3701
02:36:27,170 --> 02:36:25,079
gonna generate some really cool

3702
02:36:28,609 --> 02:36:27,180
responses on our forums so Jeff and

3703
02:36:34,160 --> 02:36:28,619
you're invited to you know to

3704
02:36:36,859 --> 02:36:34,170
participant found on Twitter the power

3705
02:36:40,219 --> 02:36:36,869
cast Jeff Danyluk I renew that

3706
02:36:42,559 --> 02:36:40,229
invitation to join the forums yeah let's

3707
02:36:44,479 --> 02:36:42,569
see what we can bring and come back for

3708
02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:44,489
another show - this has been fun man

3709
02:37:00,750 --> 02:36:46,890
I've enjoyed it I let the poll you're

3710
02:37:07,300 --> 02:37:04,270
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3711
02:37:10,170 --> 02:37:07,310
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3712
02:37:13,900 --> 02:37:10,180
presentation of making the impossible